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 Post subject: Re: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
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Welp, my recollection is that the Bush administration used faulty intel to sell the American public and the United Nations (Powell presented there if my memory serves). So yes, there was bipartisan and dman support for the war at the outset. But then it ended up being based on lies or mistakes, so we effectively invaded a sovereign nation on a false pretense.

How can I blame Democrats or myself when we were all sold on faulty intel?


I wouldn't expect you to ever blame yourself denis.

It's always the poor peoples fault.


Interesting take. I believe GW is rich.


Some of us find war to be repugnant, and rarely necessary.

The Iraq War was both.

Sorry you chose not to join those who didn't need to be convinced otherwise.


Again revisionist. Republican operatives questioned the Patriotism of any and everyone that disagreed with them about the War.

Dems were cowardly yes. Complicit no. That war never would have occurred if Bush were not President.


Again, Thanks.

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Welp, my recollection is that the Bush administration used faulty intel to sell the American public and the United Nations (Powell presented there if my memory serves). So yes, there was bipartisan and dman support for the war at the outset. But then it ended up being based on lies or mistakes, so we effectively invaded a sovereign nation on a false pretense.

How can I blame Democrats or myself when we were all sold on faulty intel?


I wouldn't expect you to ever blame yourself denis.

It's always the poor peoples fault.


Interesting take. I believe GW is rich.


Some of us find war to be repugnant, and rarely necessary.

The Iraq War was both.

Sorry you chose not to join those who didn't need to be convinced otherwise.


Again revisionist. Republican operatives questioned the Patriotism of any and everyone that disagreed with them about the War.

Dems were cowardly yes. Complicit no. That war never would have occurred if Bush were not President.


Again, Thanks.


No problem. Clarity is always a "net positive"

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Again revisionist. Republican operatives questioned the Patriotism of any and everyone that disagreed with them about the War.

Dems were cowardly yes. Complicit no. That war never would have occurred if Bush were not President.

I wish I lived in a world where I could simply place my bad decisions on someone else.

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so who did you vote for?

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Welp, my recollection is that the Bush administration used faulty intel to sell the American public and the United Nations (Powell presented there if my memory serves). So yes, there was bipartisan and dman support for the war at the outset. But then it ended up being based on lies or mistakes, so we effectively invaded a sovereign nation on a false pretense.

How can I blame Democrats or myself when we were all sold on faulty intel?


Intel got good when Trump became president.

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Iraq was Cheny's war not Bush's. That's why he's all fucked in the head now and does paintings. Bush 2 had zero power.
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Welp, my recollection is that the Bush administration used faulty intel to sell the American public and the United Nations (Powell presented there if my memory serves). So yes, there was bipartisan and dman support for the war at the outset. But then it ended up being based on lies or mistakes, so we effectively invaded a sovereign nation on a false pretense.

How can I blame Democrats or myself when we were all sold on faulty intel?


Intel got good when Trump became president.


Again Revisionist. A board staple. There was quite a bit of intel which suggested that he didn't have WMD's. Bush and Co. Chose not to believe it.

They were so desperate to sell the war that they attempted to tie Saddam to 9/11.

Do you recall that or is the biases of the lenses so colored at this point that even the truth is of little
consequence ?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Welp, my recollection is that the Bush administration used faulty intel to sell the American public and the United Nations (Powell presented there if my memory serves). So yes, there was bipartisan and dman support for the war at the outset. But then it ended up being based on lies or mistakes, so we effectively invaded a sovereign nation on a false pretense.

How can I blame Democrats or myself when we were all sold on faulty intel?


Intel got good when Trump became president.


al-Baghdadi agrees from his grave. One of the two long planned military missions trump nearly screwed up with his stupid pull out to appease daddy.

The military & our (former)Kurdish allies got no credit for their roles in those from your guy as far as I can tell though. It's all to his credit, right???

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Welp, my recollection is that the Bush administration used faulty intel to sell the American public and the United Nations (Powell presented there if my memory serves). So yes, there was bipartisan and dman support for the war at the outset. But then it ended up being based on lies or mistakes, so we effectively invaded a sovereign nation on a false pretense.

How can I blame Democrats or myself when we were all sold on faulty intel?


Intel got good when Trump became president.


Nope it became good when Obama got Osama. That search was great intel.

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How many foreign-based terrorist acts have there been since 9/11? I would say our foreign intelligence employees are doing a fantastic job. they should get a raise.

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The Intel was just fine. The powers that be wanted to invade.

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I wish I lived in a world where I could simply place my bad decisions on someone else.


so who did you vote for?


Relevance? Last I checked, Illinois voters in the POTUS general mean zilch. Democratic winner of the Primary gets the automatic win....I don't think this will change in our lifetime. I can say I did not vote for George W bush in 2004, but who cares

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How many foreign-based terrorist acts have there been since 9/11? I would say our foreign intelligence employees are doing a fantastic job. they should get a raise.


I'd like to agree, but it's pretty hard to take a guy seriously when he blames his support of a war where thousands of Americans have died or been maimed, on his selection of daily periodicals

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How many foreign-based terrorist acts have there been since 9/11? I would say our foreign intelligence employees are doing a fantastic job. they should get a raise.


I'd like to agree, but it's pretty hard to take a guy seriously when he blames his support of a war where thousands of Americans have died or been maimed, on his selection of daily periodicals


You make my head hurt with your nonsensical replies. I supported the second Iraq war, eventually, based on information that I received from our government, via various media outlets. How else did one receive information before 8Chan existed?

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Hatchetman wrote:
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How many foreign-based terrorist acts have there been since 9/11? I would say our foreign intelligence employees are doing a fantastic job. they should get a raise.


I'd like to agree, but it's pretty hard to take a guy seriously when he blames his support of a war where thousands of Americans have died or been maimed, on his selection of daily periodicals


You make my head hurt with your nonsensical replies. I supported the second Iraq war, eventually, based on information that I received from our government, via various media outlets. How else did one receive information before 8Chan existed?


So you let others decide for you because the hellacious nature of war isn't reason enough to avoid it.

Or take accountability apparently.

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