https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... /2020.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... /2019.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... /2018.html

etc..

Scroll down on each link. Look at the % Harden plays the point versus other positions.

I'm not even "ID'ing" who plays what position. It is documented by scouts and analysts.

"Dribbes per game" does not identify which player is the point guard.

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Dude watch the game. That stuff lists the positions that guys are listed in to start games. It doesn't calculate which person actually plays the position.

Its bad that you don't understand enough about the actual game to recognize what you are watching.

They can list Harden as the 2 all and Paul as the point all they want. Means nothing.


Watch the game and you would have seen Harden at the top (point position) and Paul spotting up for jump shots.

When Harden went to the bench then Paul was allowed to run the team.

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See what i mean? Watch the actual games. From 3 years ago. Guys that watch already know this.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/176 ... on-rockets


He's becoming a full-time point guard. "With James you make a joke he's a 'points guard' because he's going to score some points," D'Antoni said.

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Under the new up-tempo offense, D'Antoni has decided to put the ball in Harden's hands more than last season, like a traditional point guard, to get opposing defenses off him in the half court. It should also allow Harden to become more of a playmaker.

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Stay out of Bulls business.

That is literally the most wrong way you could describe it.

It is actually breaking down the percentage each player plays each position, by the minute, over the course of an entire season. There is some estimation, but on the whole, it tells you what players actually play, IGNORING where they started or how the team lists them.

Harden is a SG and he has almost always started with, and played the majority of his minutes with, an actual PG, like Westbrook and Paul.

Harden has played the point guard position for a grand total of 0 minutes this season.

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There is no way that they would be able to determine the exact number of minutes that he plays the point.

Here is the point. You stated that "Harden isn't a point".

3 things debunk the hell out of this.

1. He is listed as a Point
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... eja01.html

2. His coach is on record as stating that he is "moving him to the point". A full 3 years ago.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/176 ... on-rockets

3. The stats suggest that he is in fact A point.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... eja01.html

He has led them is assists one season and in tied the following season.

There have been 2 point guards that have played the position at the same time.

You stated that he isn't a point. He is. Whether he plays it full time or not is irrelevant.

He plays it the majority of the time and has done so for 3-4 yrs now. Everyone that watches the NBA knows this.

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James Harden's assists total since 2016-17 season

11 per game

9 per game

8 per game

9 per game

Still not a point guard. Sure he isn't.

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Sorry to tell you but positional metrics can make you look foolish when it comes to the NBA. But I couldn't agree more that White can EASILY replace Lavine. Lavine is empty calories.

Saying that James Harden has played 0 minutes at point this season is simply foolish.

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We can discuss the fading differences between positions...but I've never debated that and with Lebron and others becoming primary ball handlers, it is more than obvious.

What is also obvious is that in any lineup with Paul and Westbrook, the other 4 players are not playing the point.

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You're not making sense. You used a metric that defines the position not based on actual events but where guys positions are listed during introductions and then claimed that you know that positions evolve. Fact is Harden led the team in assists with Paul on the roster. Obviously (to anyone with a brain) he must have "ran the point".

The fact is that Harden's usage rate (didn't you just love that "advanced stat" til you didn't/don't) in the 2 years he played with Paul is higher than Paul's. When they play together Harden dominated the ball.

Let me ask you this and this will end it.

Which person ran the point for the Jordan Bulls during the championship years?

Which person ran the point for the Miami Heat during the Lebron/Wade years?

Which person runs the point for Denver?

How about Dallas?

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This is embarrassing and i tried to explain it to you earlier. At some point stop embarrassing yourself with all of these meaningless stats.

According to this Mario Chalmers ran the point for the Miami Heat 98% of the time that he was in the game during the 12-13 season.

Lebron James 0%. This is why an overreliance on this stuff (which you obviously have) is silly.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/te ... /2013.html


Says Luka Doncic ran the point 8% of the time last season.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... ilu01.html

Its a joke. In its defense it clearly states that it is merely an "estimate". Sad that has to be stipulated.

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"Dribbles per game" would go a lot further than this silly ass pie chart that you continuously tout.

This is an estimate which means whatever dope comprised it was obviously guessing.

No way in hell that a scout or an analyst would create such b.s. charts

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Just a little +/- update.

Once again, Zach Lavine has the worst +/- on the team.

This year, Wendell and Coby are 1 and 2 in +/-.

So once again, if you don't outscore the opponent when Zach Lavine is on the court, what is he bringing to the table? It's not just 'oh well he is a starter so he is playing against teams of way better players when he is on the floor' because Wendell Carter, Jr is a starter. So is Otto Porter, who is third best. Satoransky is fourth best.

Zach Lavine is a loser.

This team performs better when Coby White is on the court and Zach Lavine is on the bench. Find a sucker that things about Zach Lavine like LTG thinks about him. Ship him to the Kings or Suns.

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Why would anyone trust the opinion/analysis of a guy too stupid to know that James Harden has run point for the Rockets for the past 3 seasons?

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No he hasn't.

And you don't have to trust me.

https://stats.nba.com/players/tradition ... 1610612741

Trust NBA.com.

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Nice attempt at a rhetorical sleight of hand. You provided false info on Harden. You wanted the team turned over to Markennan just a week ago and now you (Along with FF) are conveniently ducking it. Coby White looked like shit for 4 games and you were quiet as a church mouse and now you are back with silly gotcha b.s. You also are a Boylen fan too which once again shows that you know nothing about basketball.


Here are the facts. The Bulls have won all of 2 games this season. In those two games Lavine has been there best player. Lavine is nowhere near there biggest problem this season.

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Since you have a rather remedial understanding of basketball (only slightly lower than Reverend Waltkins) I have to meet you on a level that you can understand.


These are the Stats of everyone's favorite Coby WHite.

Look at his stats and explain why this team should be handed over to him.

Also explain (In your ever present Bernstein book for basketball dummies) how it is that he happens to be playing so great.

Let me expedite it for you

He currently has a negative Win SHare

His EFG % is 43%

He shoots 37% from the field and 25% from 3

His offensive/defensive rating is upside down with his defensive rating over 110


My eyetest (which a trust and know is a whole helluva better than yours) tells me that he has terrible shot selection and poor decision making.

There is nothing which suggests that he is playing all that great and no I'm not going to presume that he is simply going to get better as he gets older. There is a chance but right now let him earn it.

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I can always tell when you feel trounced.

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I murdered you using your own stats. Hollow victory laps should be beneath you but I guess not. You embarrass yourself every time you come around yonder and you are merely a parrot for whatever FF and No Great Shakes happen to be thinking. Unearth an original thought and for the love of god post something that doesn't revolve around a Statistic for once and then maybe what you state will have credibility.

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Let's check the "Tale of the Tape" on this to see if the joke that is IMU is correct for a change.

His Win Share is -0.1

His VORP is -0.2

His EFG % is 43%

He shoots 37% from the field and 25% from 3

He has an offensive rating of 92 and a defensive rating of 111

Yikes

You provide the sort of basketball analysis and acumen that only one note dopes such as Walt and No Great Shakes could love.

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I really hope they trade Lavine. Can't win with him. Can't do it.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

they'd get some other worse contract in exchange.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

You were saying the same thing about Devin Booker at the end of last season. The Bulls need a better coach and a different front office. Lavine may not be a legit #1 but he isn't the guy killing them. Your guy Markannen has shitted the bed the majority of this season and you only with resident lackey IMU have conveniently ignored it. The 2 games that they happen to win Lavine was their best player.

As far as Coby White goes he hasn't been nearly as good as people on here are now proclaiming. He has shown flashes as most highly drafted rookies tend to do. He hasn't been all that great and he has played poorly more often than not.

Continue to focus on Lavine as if he is the main problem however. The Bulls have a lot more things to correct before they make a decision about him.

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Just like they did when they traded Jabari. Worse player and a worse contract. And the natives were all good with that.

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Coby is 19 and shows more mental toughness than Lavine ever did. We can win 20 games with Coby, just the same as Lavine. Coby might get better. We have proof that Lavine never will.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Lavine's problem isn't that he is fragile. He is competitive as hell. He will never be elite defensively and probably miscast as #1 option but he can still make a contribution.

Coby White may become all of the things that you cite and when he does you hand the team over to him. Right now he ain't that and to constantly proclaim that he is is silly. That is unless you want to lose badly and really be the laughingstock of the league for the next 5-10 years

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they already are the laughingstock of the league. and Lavine is the captain of that ship with his idiotic shot selection. they should give him a matador's cape to play defense with.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Probably true. It’s all a problem

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

How can that be when he is the guy chiefly responsible for the only two wins that they have?

The captain of the ship is actually that idiot Jim Boylen.

Coby White hasn't been all that great and the numbers bear that out. He is merely a 19 year old kid with a lot of energy and not a clue about how to be a winner at the NBA level. His shot selection is far worse than Lavine's by the way.


Lauri Markannen has gone from first team All NBA to a guy that MANY will clamoring to be shipped out of town by year's end. I still have hope but he ain't cutting it.

Otto Porter is the highest paid guy on the team and no better than 5th best on the team.

To constantly chirp about Lavine and ignore all of this rather silly. Last year all we had to do was jettison Hoiberg and Parker and presumably all would be well.

They did and now they are worse off because of it.

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