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I'd say that's a bug not a feature of capitalism.

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I'd say that's a bug not a feature of capitalism.

I think it’s a feature. I enjoy air conditioning and heating and food. It seems quite silly to feel guilt or shame for any of those.

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I'd say that's a bug not a feature of capitalism.

I think it’s a feature. I enjoy air conditioning and heating and food. It seems quite silly to feel guilt or shame for any of those.


Drew should have just said he was having an existential crisis because that's what he's having.

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I'd say that's a bug not a feature of capitalism.

I think it’s a feature. I enjoy air conditioning and heating and food. It seems quite silly to feel guilt or shame for any of those.


Drew should have just said he was having an existential crisis because that's what he's having.

Agreed. That I can relate to.

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I'd say that's a bug not a feature of capitalism.

I think it’s a feature. I enjoy air conditioning and heating and food. It seems quite silly to feel guilt or shame for any of those.

See, you're arguing against nobody. Did he argue for communism or socialism? The counter example Margary used in his piece was Denmark. They're also a capitalist economy albeit with large taxes and an equally large social safety net.


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I'd say that's a bug not a feature of capitalism.

I think it’s a feature. I enjoy air conditioning and heating and food. It seems quite silly to feel guilt or shame for any of those.

See, you're arguing against nobody. Did he argue for communism or socialism? The counter example Margary used in his piece was Denmark. They're also a capitalist economy albeit with large taxes and an equally large social safety net.

No, he didn’t, and that was precisely why i found the article ridiculous. He’s passively admitting it’s the best system known to date to lift up poor people and he’s still bitching about it.

Some folks just aren’t happy unless they are bitching about something.

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Today LeBron James spoke briefly about the grim saga of Derrick Rose, whose desiccated body drifted back to Cleveland this morning. LeBron’s comment was unremarkable in Rose-related insight, which it seemed explicitly crafted to avoid. But it was amusing in its insight on the human condition. In the middle of a routine interview LeBron smuggles in a hilariously bleak take about the possibility of one person ever being able to understand another.
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These are slightly different platitudes intended to satiate different reporters in different contexts, and I am admittedly mashing them together here in a way that amuses me. But there’s also a through-line, here.

Maybe James has reasoned his way from “We have imperfect access to other minds” to “It is actually impossible to empathize with another human being.” That latter stance might be difficult to deal with as a friend, partner, teammate, coach, or anyone else who simply wants the smartest living basketball player to try and understand where he or she is coming from, even if such an understanding can never be absolute. LeBron James has walked right up to the edge of what is possible in both basketball and human empathy. Seeing the former, he rose up to win four MVPs and three titles; seeing the latter, he recoiled, murmuring “Every man is an island.”


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It actually would be really fucking cool for LeBron to, post-retirement, drop out of the world for four years, go to college somewhere away from a major media market, and come back as an intellectual. (Imagine: LeBron Goes to Deep Springs.)

As superhuman as his physique is, there have always been guys with bodies like his who haven’t been able to do much in the NBA because you could shine a laser in one ear and see a dot on the wall through the other. That isn’t LeBron. His recall is incredible, and his ability to process multiple information streams simultaneously is at fighter ace levels.

It would be a waste of a brain like that for him to become just an NBA coach or, even worse, a TV talking head.


The NBA is an amoeba that burrows into your brain and makes you write like this.

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Never forget

Curious Hair wrote:
Shut up, basketblogger:

LeBron James Has Realized The Limits Of Human Empathy

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Today LeBron James spoke briefly about the grim saga of Derrick Rose, whose desiccated body drifted back to Cleveland this morning. LeBron’s comment was unremarkable in Rose-related insight, which it seemed explicitly crafted to avoid. But it was amusing in its insight on the human condition. In the middle of a routine interview LeBron smuggles in a hilariously bleak take about the possibility of one person ever being able to understand another.
. . .
These are slightly different platitudes intended to satiate different reporters in different contexts, and I am admittedly mashing them together here in a way that amuses me. But there’s also a through-line, here.

Maybe James has reasoned his way from “We have imperfect access to other minds” to “It is actually impossible to empathize with another human being.” That latter stance might be difficult to deal with as a friend, partner, teammate, coach, or anyone else who simply wants the smartest living basketball player to try and understand where he or she is coming from, even if such an understanding can never be absolute. LeBron James has walked right up to the edge of what is possible in both basketball and human empathy. Seeing the former, he rose up to win four MVPs and three titles; seeing the latter, he recoiled, murmuring “Every man is an island.”


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It actually would be really fucking cool for LeBron to, post-retirement, drop out of the world for four years, go to college somewhere away from a major media market, and come back as an intellectual. (Imagine: LeBron Goes to Deep Springs.)

As superhuman as his physique is, there have always been guys with bodies like his who haven’t been able to do much in the NBA because you could shine a laser in one ear and see a dot on the wall through the other. That isn’t LeBron. His recall is incredible, and his ability to process multiple information streams simultaneously is at fighter ace levels.

It would be a waste of a brain like that for him to become just an NBA coach or, even worse, a TV talking head.


The NBA is an amoeba that burrows into your brain and makes you write like this.

if that was their sports thoughts, then perhaps they shouldn't have stuck to sports :lol:

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PFT, who had friends at Deadspin, offers a different perspective.

I guess it's nice that Barstool allows other opinons. I doubt Deadspin would allow any pro-Barstool piece on their site.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/newyork/ ... both-sites

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https://gen.medium.com/yes-i-am-a-capitalist-ca9d6d6c42f8

Truly bizarre to me that someone would apologize for or be ashamed of being a capitalist. It’s like saying you are reluctant to admit the world is round.


Interesting. At least the writer is pretty self aware.

I always love the comparisons of the United States to some small country. There is a massive free rider advantage that the world uses based off of our system. Some examples:

-Medical innovations, mainly pharma products but also technological leaps are largely developed by U.S. companies and funded in our capital markets because we have unregulated drug prices. The developers of those innovations can recover the risk of investment in our markets, while the balance of the world gets to cap those prices below the cost of development,
-We spend a massive percentage of our GDP on the military. That benefits the global order and allows our friends at NATO to under invest in theirs not even getting to the 2% target imposed by NATO in many cases.
-The entire global financial system is built on our currency and regulation of fund flows.
-Our consumers suck up manufactured goods resulting a huge trade deficit.

Our free market system also produces ample excess food supplies, globally recognized entertainment (Hollywood et al), tech innovations (software, chips, etc). These are funded by the deep pool of capital in our system.

Denmark would be fine without us. But there is no doubt they benefit from the free rider concept that our system affords the world.

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But you can't run a global empire where the colonies have it better than the metropole. People are eventually going to ask why we have to stack opioid-soaked corpses like cordwood throughout Ohio and Michigan so that everyone in all the other developed nations can, I dunno, not die of despair like Americans increasingly do (and ever increasingly will).

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But you can't run a global empire where the colonies have it better than the metropole. People are eventually going to ask why we have to stack opioid-soaked corpses like cordwood throughout Ohio and Michigan so that everyone in all the other developed nations can, I dunno, not die of despair like Americans increasingly do (and ever increasingly will).


I have as many grievances with our system as you do. But to this point, our flawed system has created the greatest level of wealth and innovation that the world has ever seen. The biggest trade off is that it has also created vast inequality with a call option type lottery of wealth.

However, the U.S. has highest per capita GDP among major economies. It is well ahead of those social democracies that everyone loves to cite. The problem is our political system has allocated that wealth for a lot of unproductive uses, the military most notably. But also dumb stuff like ethanol subsidies. We have also borrowed heavily against our future, and not just the on balance sheet debt, but the hidden unfunded liabilities of entitlement programs.

The worst of it all is the tatters of our primary and secondary education system that shows us well near the bottom of major countries.

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An immense deal of our innovation was government-funded one way or another, pace however many stories we tell ourselves about Great Men and their garages. I'm sure we can still have medical advances while we take care of our own sick the way everyone else does.

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But you can't run a global empire where the colonies have it better than the metropole. People are eventually going to ask why we have to stack opioid-soaked corpses like cordwood throughout Ohio and Michigan so that everyone in all the other developed nations can, I dunno, not die of despair like Americans increasingly do (and ever increasingly will).



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Capitalism has raised far more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever. There's a certain irony in arguing against Capitalism while using tools that only exist because of Capitalism. There is no winning and losing with Capitalism long-term. Long-term, we are all winners. Many poor people today own hand-held computers that are infinitely faster than computers only wealthy people owned and were the size of rooms in the 1970s. The reason for modern wealth disparity and cronyism is because of barriers to entry and regulations that kill most people's chances of coming up with a new idea or selling a product or service. Every industry is heavily favored toward gigantic corporations, and the primary reason is because of government regulation, not in spite of it.


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FavreFan wrote:
https://gen.medium.com/yes-i-am-a-capitalist-ca9d6d6c42f8

Truly bizarre to me that someone would apologize for or be ashamed of being a capitalist. It’s like saying you are reluctant to admit the world is round.


Interesting. At least the writer is pretty self aware.

I always love the comparisons of the United States to some small country. There is a massive free rider advantage that the world uses based off of our system. Some examples:

-Medical innovations, mainly pharma products but also technological leaps are largely developed by U.S. companies and funded in our capital markets because we have unregulated drug prices. The developers of those innovations can recover the risk of investment in our markets, while the balance of the world gets to cap those prices below the cost of development,
-We spend a massive percentage of our GDP on the military. That benefits the global order and allows our friends at NATO to under invest in theirs not even getting to the 2% target imposed by NATO in many cases.
-The entire global financial system is built on our currency and regulation of fund flows.
-Our consumers suck up manufactured goods resulting a huge trade deficit.

Our free market system also produces ample excess food supplies, globally recognized entertainment (Hollywood et al), tech innovations (software, chips, etc). These are funded by the deep pool of capital in our system.

Denmark would be fine without us. But there is no doubt they benefit from the free rider concept that our system affords the world.


All true.


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Capitalism has raised far more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever. There's a certain irony in arguing against Capitalism while using tools that only exist because of Capitalism. There is no winning and losing with Capitalism long-term. Long-term, we are all winners. Many poor people today own hand-held computers that are infinitely faster than computers only wealthy people owned and were the size of rooms in the 1970s. The reason for modern wealth disparity and cronyism is because of barriers to entry and regulations that kill most people's chances of coming up with a new idea or selling a product or service. Every industry is heavily favored toward gigantic corporations, and the primary reason is because of government regulation, not in spite of it.

There are definitely losers. But the share of winners greatly outnumber the losers. Your point with government regulation is a fair one. Capitalism requires the presence of regulation to excel. However, the relationship between industry and government has evolved into coziness and corruption.


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Capitalism has raised far more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever. There's a certain irony in arguing against Capitalism while using tools that only exist because of Capitalism. There is no winning and losing with Capitalism long-term. Long-term, we are all winners. Many poor people today own hand-held computers that are infinitely faster than computers only wealthy people owned and were the size of rooms in the 1970s. The reason for modern wealth disparity and cronyism is because of barriers to entry and regulations that kill most people's chances of coming up with a new idea or selling a product or service. Every industry is heavily favored toward gigantic corporations, and the primary reason is because of government regulation, not in spite of it.

There are definitely losers. But the share of winners greatly outnumber the losers. Your point with government regulation is a fair one. Capitalism requires the presence of regulation to excel. However, the relationship between industry and government has evolved into coziness and corruption.

I think he is saying capitalism spurs investment and innovation. Those innovations trickle down to all.

If you lose an incentive many people find key to putting in effort, there will be less progress and therefore less to trickle down.

Who knows what would not have been invented if people knew there was no money to be made off of it. Why bother?

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I agree with some minimal regulation. Currently, however, companies do well, grow big, and then write the rules for their industry by buying lawmakers. Fuck the little guy.

I'm fine with regulations, but all things equal, fewer is better. They usually aren't written with good intentions.

It doesn't just apply to small business either. My ex-wife's brother is a social worker who has had to move around recently due to his wife's medical condition (closer to medical facilities). It was almost impossible for him to acquire the necessary licensing in a new state, yet the state has a shortage of social workers.


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Capitalism has raised far more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever. There's a certain irony in arguing against Capitalism while using tools that only exist because of Capitalism. There is no winning and losing with Capitalism long-term. Long-term, we are all winners. Many poor people today own hand-held computers that are infinitely faster than computers only wealthy people owned and were the size of rooms in the 1970s. The reason for modern wealth disparity and cronyism is because of barriers to entry and regulations that kill most people's chances of coming up with a new idea or selling a product or service. Every industry is heavily favored toward gigantic corporations, and the primary reason is because of government regulation, not in spite of it.

There are definitely losers. But the share of winners greatly outnumber the losers. Your point with government regulation is a fair one. Capitalism requires the presence of regulation to excel. However, the relationship between industry and government has evolved into coziness and corruption.

I think he is saying capitalism spurs investment and innovation. Those innovations trickle down to all.

If you lose an incentive many people find key to putting in effort, there will be less progress and therefore less to trickle down.

Who knows what would not have been invented if people knew there was no money to be made off of it. Why bother?

Right but the author isn't arguing for communism or another economic model. FavreFan misread the whole point of Margary's article. No one is this thread is arguing against capitalism. Margary relishes the benefits of capitalism and recognizes its superiority. But he's drawn towards a presidential candidate that supports a market economy more in line with European countries rather than the current US model


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Capitalism has raised far more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever. There's a certain irony in arguing against Capitalism while using tools that only exist because of Capitalism. There is no winning and losing with Capitalism long-term. Long-term, we are all winners. Many poor people today own hand-held computers that are infinitely faster than computers only wealthy people owned and were the size of rooms in the 1970s. The reason for modern wealth disparity and cronyism is because of barriers to entry and regulations that kill most people's chances of coming up with a new idea or selling a product or service. Every industry is heavily favored toward gigantic corporations, and the primary reason is because of government regulation, not in spite of it.

There are definitely losers. But the share of winners greatly outnumber the losers. Your point with government regulation is a fair one. Capitalism requires the presence of regulation to excel. However, the relationship between industry and government has evolved into coziness and corruption.

I think he is saying capitalism spurs investment and innovation. Those innovations trickle down to all.

If you lose an incentive many people find key to putting in effort, there will be less progress and therefore less to trickle down.

Who knows what would not have been invented if people knew there was no money to be made off of it. Why bother?

Right but the author isn't arguing for communism or another economic model. FavreFan misread the whole point of Margary's article. No one is this thread is arguing against capitalism. Margary relishes the benefits of capitalism and recognizes its superiority. But he's drawn towards a presidential candidate that supports a market economy more in line with European countries rather than the current US model

I didn't misread a single thing about the article. He states multiple times that he feels guilty from benefiting off of capitalism. That is literally the thesis of the article.

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FavreFan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
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Kirkwood wrote:
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Capitalism has raised far more people out of poverty than any other economic system ever. There's a certain irony in arguing against Capitalism while using tools that only exist because of Capitalism. There is no winning and losing with Capitalism long-term. Long-term, we are all winners. Many poor people today own hand-held computers that are infinitely faster than computers only wealthy people owned and were the size of rooms in the 1970s. The reason for modern wealth disparity and cronyism is because of barriers to entry and regulations that kill most people's chances of coming up with a new idea or selling a product or service. Every industry is heavily favored toward gigantic corporations, and the primary reason is because of government regulation, not in spite of it.

There are definitely losers. But the share of winners greatly outnumber the losers. Your point with government regulation is a fair one. Capitalism requires the presence of regulation to excel. However, the relationship between industry and government has evolved into coziness and corruption.

I think he is saying capitalism spurs investment and innovation. Those innovations trickle down to all.

If you lose an incentive many people find key to putting in effort, there will be less progress and therefore less to trickle down.

Who knows what would not have been invented if people knew there was no money to be made off of it. Why bother?

Right but the author isn't arguing for communism or another economic model. FavreFan misread the whole point of Margary's article. No one is this thread is arguing against capitalism. Margary relishes the benefits of capitalism and recognizes its superiority. But he's drawn towards a presidential candidate that supports a market economy more in line with European countries rather than the current US model

I didn't misread a single thing about the article. He states multiple times that he feels guilty from benefiting off of capitalism. That is literally the thesis of the article.

Capitalism in its current form.


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:lol: This is pretty weird

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https://deadspin.com/transactions-nov-1-1839535889?utm_medium=socialflow&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter

:lol: This is pretty weird


I wish they had taken her access away 2 days ago. McKenna was an entertaining dude. Diana Moskowitz has always been useless.

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https://deadspin.com/transactions-nov-1-1839535889?utm_medium=socialflow&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter

:lol: This is pretty weird

It seems like some people for some reason could resign immediately and others needed to give two weeks notice. Management seems to be fine with them all just doing what they want until security escorts them out.

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Capitalism in its current form is mainly crony capitalism with government, lobbyists and high level businesses taking care of themselves. It evolves here and there and the players change but it’s basically been like this since the late 1800s?

Anyway, there is some odd guilt or shame that FF points out is nonsensical. Yes there are many problems in our system but so many in the world would trade places with us and our most poor very quickly.

Our “poor” live better than many imagined possible in 1890 for example. What this seems to stem from is the political manipulation of feelings of the term income inequality and the like.

News update: basically since the beginning of this country and until way past our deaths the wealthy will have way more than the poor. By definition the different levels of middle will settle, well, somewhere in the middle.

It basically works and the fighting over the tiniest of changes is meaningless in the long term.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:01 pm 
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FavreFan wrote:
https://deadspin.com/transactions-nov-1-1839535889?utm_medium=socialflow&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter

:lol: This is pretty weird


PittMike, is that your picture in the story?

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