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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:39 pm 
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if the narrative is that the playoffs are the only thing that matters they should reduce ticket prices for regular season games by 50% . Would you care that Kawhi wasn't playing if your ticket was 20$ vs. 50$ ?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:41 pm 
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Sports are def entertainment, but basketball is the one sport where championships seem to matter more than anything else as far as legacy goes.
He has his championship though. It really only is used against people if they never get one.

I mean, people were ready to crown LeBron as the GOAT and he was still 3 titles behind Jordan simply because, um, rebounds or something.

I think the most interesting rule would be that if the league determines you are doing "load management" that you have to choose to either miss the next 5 games like an injured list or you have to miss 1.5 home games for every road game you sat out in the season.

I'm going to guess that there would be a lot less load management if your season ticket holders didn't see you 25% of the time.


They’ll just be put in the game for a minute to avoid penalties.
I would assume there would be some sort of minimum minutes limit compared to your averages in a scenario like that.

Realistically, the best option would be to just play him less minutes all season. Let him sit out the whole second quarter.

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I’m not going to get angry because some corporations aren’t profiting to maximum capacity. That’s ridiculous.

Ticket insurance/reimbursement options are the realistic solution.

But yeah, greedy owners prolly won’t go for it.

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lol, I'm sure they will reduce ticket prices any day now....the pressure is there, even with the shit show bulls leading the league

http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance

do you people live in reality?


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One thing that's kind of struck me about this affair is that it's another illustration of how detached the sports media actually is from sports fans. I completely understand and am somewhat on board with the "how's it get you closer to a championship?" view of the people in favor of load management; I can definitely tolerate arguments that load management is Rational and Good more than I can for arguments that superteams are Rational and Good. Unfortunately though a lot of the people taking that side of argument have the typical NBA writer mentality that anyone annoyed about not being able to see Kawhi or another star due to load management just doesn't get it (or even worse, that it's actually the fans' fault because they're too judgmental about rings and titles above all else, despite the fact that 99% of the discourse about greatness is driven by the media and not the fans anyway).

What's worse to me though is how skewed the perspective is on the part of the people who are supposed to be anti-load management. Kornheiser a few days ago went on a long rant about how pissed off he'd be if he ran ESPN when the Clippers said Leonard was sitting, and I've noticed much of the talk about this has centered on the league and the networks. The thing I don't get is how that's the example you immediately go to instead of the paying fan, which is the main party getting screwed in this scenario. I get that any intervention by the league would ostensibly be for the benefit of the fan, but I don't get why we immediately have to center the networks and the maximization of their contract value when something like this occurs. It strikes me as another case of the meatballs who are central to the economic success of the league simply being alien to the majority of the NBA commentariat.



We seem to have lost the plot. Sports are entertainment. Championships really aren't the be all, end all. This is closely related to the walk-oriented offense in baseball.
Good to see you view baseball the same as football now!



It's not quite as boring, but they're trying.

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I’m not going to get angry because some corporations aren’t profiting to maximum capacity. That’s ridiculous.

Nobody is angry about that. The issue is about the NBA fans to fuck themselves

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I’m not going to get angry because some corporations aren’t profiting to maximum capacity. That’s ridiculous.

Nobody is angry about that. The issue is about the NBA fans to fuck themselves

It seems ESPN was exactly worried about that yesterday.

Jalen Rose was on his show saying load management is the fan’s fault for putting extra emphasis on championships.

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See again I don't get why Rose is including the fans on this one. The fans who are paying to attend these meaningless regular season games certainly seem to care about the journey. I'll concede there are tons of blowhards online who will rank great players by rings alone or co-sign the NBA media on this issue, but the idea that they're the ones forcing load management makes about as much sense to me as the notion that the fans forced Durant to join the Warriors.


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I’m not going to get angry because some corporations aren’t profiting to maximum capacity. That’s ridiculous.

Nobody is angry about that. The issue is about the NBA fans to fuck themselves

It seems ESPN was exactly worried about that yesterday.

Jalen Rose was on his show saying load management is the fan’s fault for putting extra emphasis on championships.

When I said nobody I mean nobody, not no corporations. Obviously Espn cares if Espn loses money. Nobody else does.

I didn’t realize I had to spell that out.

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You seem to think everyone can read your mind.

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See again I don't get why Rose is including the fans on this one. The fans who are paying to attend these meaningless regular season games certainly seem to care about the journey. I'll concede there are tons of blowhards online who will rank great players by rings alone or co-sign the NBA media on this issue, but the idea that they're the ones forcing load management makes about as much sense to me as the notion that the fans forced Durant to join the Warriors.

Yes this Rose take is insane.

The Championships matter philosophy certainly didn’t come from the players.

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Steph somehow has earned a reputation of playing worse in the finals and not being good enough to win finals MVP despite averaging better stats in the finals than the regular season.

Are you seriously suggesting that Steph has received criticism for this on par with the criticism Kawhi is facing on load management? That's absurd. I don't even agree that Steph has earned anything close to the reputation you're suggesting, and it's certainly nowhere close in scope to the load management criticism.

I'm not comparing the criticism of the two incidents but the extent of criticism they've faced in the past. I've long hated Steph and felt like he got too much praise from the media for a while, but I feel like they stopped handling him with kid gloves a few years ago now. Heck before he got injured this year, the hot take that he's not good enough to carry a team and like Draymond has always been overrated was starting.


The injury will now serve to stymie such talk.

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You seem to think everyone can read

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These guy have destroyed their legs by playing year round basketball since they were 8. Something player 20-30 years ago did not do a nearly the same level. Even Lebron played high school football until Senior year.


I think all of the weight training that they do has an adverse effect as well. Guys back in the day didn't screw with weights nearly as much.

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I will say the NBA should implement some sort of insurance/reimbursement option if a certain player decides not to play the game a fan bought tickets for.


I think that they should dock guys for all the games that they miss where there is no injury involved.

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I will say the NBA should implement some sort of insurance/reimbursement option if a certain player decides not to play the game a fan bought tickets for.


I think that they should dock guys for all the games that they miss where there is no injury involved.

How would they prove no injury?

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I will say the NBA should implement some sort of insurance/reimbursement option if a certain player decides not to play the game a fan bought tickets for.


I think that they should dock guys for all the games that they miss where there is no injury involved.

How would they prove no injury?


By placing their own physician at every arena. It would have to be collectively bargained and of course there would be ways to beat it but they have to come up with something as this is getting out of control.

He sat out against two good teams. I read somewhere where he claimed he wasn't going to do the load management thing this year as he was completely healthy.

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If anyone is to blame i'd say it would have to be Gregg Popovich

He started all of this.

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I will say the NBA should implement some sort of insurance/reimbursement option if a certain player decides not to play the game a fan bought tickets for.


I think that they should dock guys for all the games that they miss where there is no injury involved.

How would they prove no injury?
You couldn't for 1 game but when you are randomly missing games once every 3 weeks all season you certainly could.

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How would they prove no injury?


By tweeting it out in capital letters in otherwise unrelated tweets.

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You guys are underestimating general soreness, and doctors who will approve such an ailment.

Ticket insurance/reimbursement is the only logical step I can see.

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If anyone is to blame i'd say it would have to be Gregg Popovich

He started all of this.

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Ideally peer pressure would work. When the softest guy in the league is calling you out I would think pride would start taking over a bit


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You guys are underestimating general soreness, and doctors who will approve such an ailment.

Ticket insurance/reimbursement is the only logical step I can see.
That's where the proposal to make sure it is mostly home games they have "general soreness" comes into play. If 28 year old Kawhi's body is deteriorating a month into the season then he should be missing more games to help him.

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My idea is better than yours Brick.

Just accept it.

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Ideally peer pressure would work. When the softest guy in the league is calling you out I would think pride would start taking over a bit


I remember Jason Terry was on one of those sports debate shows a couple of years ago and they asked him if Tony Parker calling him out and the Spurs having a team meeting late in the season would pressure him into coming back. His response was that the peer pressure thing wouldn't work on a guy still rocking cornrows.


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My idea is better than yours Brick.

Just accept it.

I assumed your idea was a joke. My bad.

Your idea is bad because you have to start compensating fans for all injuries. You bought tickets to Zion on opening night? Here is 50% of your money back.

After all the money that LeBron lost in China you can't do that to the players.

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Ideally peer pressure would work. When the softest guy in the league is calling you out I would think pride would start taking over a bit


NBA players have no pride. These are the guys who have to be carried off of the court bawling after a cramp.

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