Jamal Williams is the obvious rebuttal to that

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The overall point here is -if you take Aaron Rodgers away from the Packers everything changes. Your win total, your defense spends way more time on the field, game planning against you is different.. and your skill position players suffer tremendously.

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Run out the L column for the sake of the 2020 draft.

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How so? His totals look even worse too without Rodgers -even worse than they already look. Maybe he’s cut from the team without Rodgers.

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Only if the Raiders do the same.. we need the highest 2nd round picks we can get

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Jones stands out from every other RB, including Williams.

But I can also point to his 5.5 ypc with Brett Hundley to show you are wrong as well.

Or you could just, ya know, watch Green Bay play and acknowledge Jones is really damn good.

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Yeah, imagine how much better he’d have looked that year with Rodgers healthy..


lol he had just 450 yards rushing his rookie year which was his only real time playing with that dude, if you’re going to set the standard there then you may as well not have a standard.. or you could just acknowledge that Aaron Rodgers is the real reason your team has a chance every year, and everyone on the team looks better because he’s your QB

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He’s played well every year. With Hundley, with an ineffective Rodgers last year, with a good and healthy Rodgers this year. He’s simply a really good football player by any type of criteria you wish to use. It’s lazy and wrong to suggest he would suck without Rodgers.

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His 1st couple years his numbers are mediocre. He’s nothing special as a player, maybe a starter level guy on some teams but nothing special on his own. Having Aaoron Rodgers helps him look even better than he is, it’s uninformed and wrong to deny this.

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I laid out why you are wrong. That isn’t a rebuttal to anything I pointed out.

5.5 ypc is mediocre in your view. Good to know what I’m dealing with here.

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And I laid out why your team is good.


450 yards and 700 and whatever yards is mediocre. Keep clinging to ypc numbers that don’t mean anything attached to low/mediocre yardage totals with a HoF level QB keeping defenses at bay to help out.


Keep not understanding how Rodgers makes everything look better.


Aaron Rodgers is your team. This isn’t a debate. It’s me telling you that over and over post after post and you displaying your football ignorance over and over arguing against that with worthless false equivalency and goal post moves.

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If it’s Rodgers and nobody else then why did they go from one of the worst teams in the NFC to one of the best? God you’re an idiot.

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1 down 5 to go. I believe.

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If you didn’t have Aaron Rodgers on your team you’d be one of the worst teams in the league this season. Stop yourself.





You’re the one arguing against Aaron Rodgers making everything on your team better, only an idiot would do that -and you’re doing that.

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Bears will be lucky to win one more game this year.

Look back on the thread. I never argued against Rodgers making players better. I simply said Aaron Jones specifically is very good and only an idiot would argue otherwise. To nobody’s surprise, you argued otherwise.

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They’ll take the Detroit game easily and then momentum will carry them.

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I see them laying a shit in Detroit. Maybe they beat the Cowboys.

I bring up that example because the Packers might be able to accelerate their offense by turning things over to one back. Unsurprisingly, my choice there is Jones, who has been dynamic as a runner and receiver this season. The drop-off in the offense when Jones isn't on the field is dramatic.

In 180 snaps with him on the field and Williams on the sideline, the Packers have averaged 0.22 EPA per play, which would make them the best offense in football on a play-by-play basis. In 127 snaps with Williams on the field and Jones sitting out, though, the Packers have actually been a net negative on offense at -0.05 EPA per play, which is the equivalent of the 2019 Giants, who rank 25th in expected points added. If one back makes you the best offense in football and the other back makes you the Giants, I would go with the first guy.

It's fair to suggest that the Packers are so impressive with Jones on the field in part because they rest him so frequently. In the games in which Williams has been healthy, Jones has played just under 55% of the offensive snaps. If the Packers were to play Jones for 80% or more of their offensive snaps, it's likely that he would be less efficient with the increased usage rate.

At the same time, even some drop-off from Jones would still likely produce a more effective offense than that same offense with Williams. As much as the organization has insisted that Jones needs to split time -- a stance that existed before LaFleur was hired -- the Packers are simply a different offense with Jones as the primary back. The Packers' best chance of winning a Super Bowl is by turning the vast majority of the snaps over to Jones when things matter most. The obvious point to make that move might not be the beginning of the postseason; given that it could decide the division, I'd lean toward the Week 16 game at Minnesota.

Yup, it’s just Rodgers that makes Jones good tho. It sucks he doesn’t choose to also make Jamal Williams good.

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They’re gonna run the table. Keep the faith. Club Dub open through the holidays.

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This article is more an indictment on what their offense looks like with Jones out there over Williams -not what Jones (or the rest of the team for that matter) looks like without Aaron Rodgers. You have to be completely devoid of reading comprehension and basic football knowledge to think this blurb vanishes my point.


Sadly, you do not have the same talent -or luck- as your QB when it comes to throwing hail-Mary’s. Incomplete pass, game over lol

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You’re an idiot. I tried.

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Aaron Rodgers has been on the field for every single play that article accounts for, youre the only idiot here if you think those numbers don’t shift drastically if he’s not.


And that’s the point you’re too stupid to wrap your mind around.

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The article literally illustrates Jones value perfectly compared to the next best option on the team and you somehow were dumb enough to think it endorses your opinion that Rodgers makes Jones good. You’re beyond help when it comes to this.

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The article literally uses numbers accumulated with Rodgers out there on the feild with him, and you’re too obtuse to understand how that connects to my point.


You are completely football stupid, and can’t be helped. Sorry

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Like I said, you’re a moron. It’s funny when someone like you pretends to know more than others. “I told you Aaron Rodgers was good and because he’s good everyone he plays with is good and I’m smart” lol fucking idiot

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You’re arguing against the guy you’re attempting to call stupid for making a point you claim is obvious, or you don’t understand how much better Aaron Rodgers makes your team look.. that’s how monumentally fucking stupid you are.

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As I said earlier in the thread dipshit, I’m not pointing out something that shouldn’t be painfully obvious to anyone with eyes and a television.

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I’ve never said Rodgers doesn’t make others better you fucking idiot. I simply said, and then laid out why, that Aaron Jones is very good. You’ve made no attempt at a rebuttal and have sounded like a dumbass the entire thread. Congrats

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Aaron Jones is very good and that’s painfully obvious by anyone with eyes and by the fact that he leads the league in touchdowns.

it’s impossible that you’re this dumb while claiming “Aaron Rodgers is good” is some profound observation nobody else figured out.

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