Morgan Freeman. I was also a fan of Zoom.

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You don't seem to be getting the point here. It is that The Beatles were simply in the right place in the right time. Are you arguing that outside of The Clash, no musician since 1972 has been good enough to make a comparable album to one of the top 5 Beatles albums? 4 guys that happened to meet and form a band in England happened to be so good at it that they created at least 5 albums better than any other human who made music since 1980.

If The Beatles started in the 90s, how many top ten albums of all time would they have?

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Zoom and 3-2-1 Contact was cool, though I think the latter was always pushing the metric system. Eff that.

Rick, you're moving the goalposts and missing my point. I'm not arguing the timing and luck of the Beatles. That was a part of their success. Not all, but it helped. Just like right before Led Zeppelin IV came out, the Beatles broke up, and Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, and Jimi Hendrix all kicked the bucket. That timing and tragedy helped them as well.

YOU said that nobody alive today can make an album as good as The Beatles best offerings.

All I said was that nobody from the Backstreet Boys or One Direction- boy bands that you listed- had the talent to make such an album.

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None, because Rolling Stone says so.

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I think there's a lot of people alive today who can make an album as good as Abbey Road or The White Album but I don't know anybody except you who thinks the Backstreet Boys are among that group of people. I've heard of One Direction but couldn't name a song or what they sound like but I assume the same applies to them.

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I'm not moving the goalposts. Read my original post.


Exactly. The greatest album in the last 40 years is not better than at least 5 Beatles albums. That includes the former members of The Beatles. If The Beatles had started as a 90s boy band instead of the boy band they started as decades earlier they are going to see the same that everyone else.

No one has had the talent to do it since 1980 based on the Rolling Stone list. To me, that indicates it was more about the period of time in the evolution in music than it was about some sort of specific things that only The Beatles could have done.

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Many people could, they just don't feel like it.

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Rick, my initial reply to you was this; Nothing you have said since has refuted this statement.

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Wait a minute. You are reversing the point here. I didn't say the Backstreet Boys would have been The Beatles if they were around back then. I said The Beatles would have been the Backstreet Boys if born at a different time.

To put it another way, someone was going to be The Beatles who was there at the right place at the right time. It could have been The Backstreet Boys but it could have been someone else.

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Why do I need to refute it? You are arguing a different point than I am.

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Then you agree with my point.

Thank you.

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I don't agree or disagree with your point. It's a completely separate discussion.

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That's not reversing the point. That's the same point. You're saying there is no difference in the musical abilities between the Beatles and the Backstreet Boys. The rest of us are saying there is.

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I did not say that.

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You did.

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Quote where I said that was no difference in the musical abilities.

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Frank covered it. I understand if it's not what you meant but it is what you said.

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Dude...I hate to give BRick credit for anything, but I'm assuming he's referring to the popularity level, not musical ability...

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Saying that the boy bands of the 90s and today were just as popular- if not moreso- than The Beatles of the 1960s would not be a real hot pop culture take.

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That seems like an odd point to make. Both the Beatles and Backstreet Boys were insanely popular at their height, so he would essentially be saying nothing would be different with the Beatles if they were born at a different time.

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The whole quote is this:

It wasn't saying they were equal in terms of musical talent. They would have had a similar impact though.

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Popularity wouldn't be the word I would use. Impact would be.

To put it another way, if The Beatles were around at the same time as the Backstreet Boys then I don't think The Beatles would be considered anywhere close to the greatest band of all time.

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If' you're saying they would be less popular and less respected than they currently are if they came around 3 decades later I think you'd have a point. You undermine your own argument, if that is your argument, though when you compare them to a group like the Backstreet Boys who were completely devoid of any musical talent outside of singing.

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You literally said The Beatles would be a singing and dancing quartet had they came around 30 years later than they did. The rest of the quote is largely irrelevant to that point.

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The Beatles wrote their own songs. You have to concede at least some of the credit for their success alongside being in the right place at the right time.

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There is a clear reason why virtually all of the greatest albums happened before both you and me were born. The Beatles may have had more musical talent than the Backstreet Boys but it doesn't matter when there really isn't a path to being able to establish themselves as a group. So, ultimately they end up like the Backstreet Boys as a really popular boy band. I don't know who you consider to be the best band since 1990 but they certainly wouldn't be viewed anywhere close to The Beatles. Now, it is possible that The Beatles were the peak of all music and not a single collection of 4 or 5 people in the world could ever even match their fifth best album since 1980 or it could have been that the similarly talented artists are limited by the same thing that would limit the 90s Beatles.

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