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They [The Beatles] would have been the Backstreet Boys or One Direction if born at a different time.


You literally said The Beatles would be a singing and dancing quartet had they came around 30 years later than they did. The rest of the quote is largely irrelevant to that point.
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You just acknowledged that my quote was not about equal music abilities but the different period of time, so thanks for settling that.

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If' you're saying they would be less popular and less respected than they currently are if they came around 3 decades later I think you'd have a point. You undermine your own argument, if that is your argument, though when you compare them to a group like the Backstreet Boys who were completely devoid of any musical talent outside of singing.
There is a clear reason why virtually all of the greatest albums happened before both you and me were born. The Beatles may have had more musical talent than the Backstreet Boys but it doesn't matter when there really isn't a path to being able to establish themselves as a group. So, ultimately they end up like the Backstreet Boys as a really popular boy band. I don't know who you consider to be the best band since 1990 but they certainly wouldn't be viewed anywhere close to The Beatles. Now, it is possible that The Beatles were the peak of all music and not a single collection of 4 or 5 people in the world could ever even match their fifth best album since 1980 or it could have been that the similarly talented artists are limited by the same thing that would limit the 90s Beatles.

It all depends on who you ask. I like the Beatles a lot. Boyd knows a lot about music but he doesn't like them at all. I'm sure Boyd and Bagels and guys like that could easily name many better bands than the Beatles post-1990. I don't know that I would agree with the list, but that's sort of the point. There's no universal "these are the best bands ever" list that everybody agrees with, you're acting like there is such a list and the Beatles are at the top.

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No, Brick. Your quote was saying that perhaps the best song writing duo in pop/rock history would have been nothing more than a bubble gum boy band had they been born 30 years later.

You are the one who compared one of the greatest bands ever to a dance troupe.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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They [The Beatles] would have been the Backstreet Boys or One Direction if born at a different time.


You literally said The Beatles would be a singing and dancing quartet had they came around 30 years later than they did. The rest of the quote is largely irrelevant to that point.
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You just acknowledged that my quote was not about equal music abilities but the different period of time, so thanks for settling that.

You can't really say that a band that wrote most of the music that they are lauded for was just wholly swept up in the cultural zeitgeist of the time.

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It all depends on who you ask. I like the Beatles a lot. Boyd knows a lot about music but he doesn't like them at all. I'm sure Boyd and Bagels and guys like that could easily name many better bands than the Beatles post-1990. I don't know that I would agree with the list, but that's the sort of the point.
My perception is that in general The Beatles are considered the best band ever by the most amount of people. If your stance is now that many bands post-1990 are better then I can accept that.

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There's no universal "these are the best bands ever" list that everybody agrees with, you're acting like there is such a list and the Beatles are at the top.
Well, there is never a universal list of the best ever of anything. There are still people that think LeBron is the GOAT.

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No, Brick. Your quote was saying that perhaps the best song writing duo in pop/rock history would have been nothing more than a bubble gum boy band had they been born 30 years later.

You are the one who compared one of the greatest bands ever to a dance troupe.
I did compare them. You are correct. Your intense reaction to such a thing helps my point.

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I mean, you can compare a Howitzer to a bow and arrow as well but you won't get very far.

Keep this nonsense up, and I'll start copy pasting your previous Beatles related posts and put them here!

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It all depends on who you ask. I like the Beatles a lot. Boyd knows a lot about music but he doesn't like them at all. I'm sure Boyd and Bagels and guys like that could easily name many better bands than the Beatles post-1990. I don't know that I would agree with the list, but that's the sort of the point.
My perception is that in general The Beatles are considered the best band ever by the most amount of people. If your stance is now that many bands post-1990 are better then I can accept that.

Did you not read the post you just quoted? :lol:

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You can't really say that a band that wrote most of the music that they are lauded for was just wholly swept up in the cultural zeitgeist of the time.
So that begs the question why no other group has ever been able to have anywhere close to the impact they had. Is it that it never happened that 4 people of similar ability haven't met each other in the past 40 or so years? You would think that at some point in the years that followed 1980 that someone would have stepped up to be The Beatles 2.0 or it means that they were so talented that it would be impossible to ever match them.

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It all depends on who you ask. I like the Beatles a lot. Boyd knows a lot about music but he doesn't like them at all. I'm sure Boyd and Bagels and guys like that could easily name many better bands than the Beatles post-1990. I don't know that I would agree with the list, but that's the sort of the point.
My perception is that in general The Beatles are considered the best band ever by the most amount of people. If your stance is now that many bands post-1990 are better then I can accept that.

Did you not read the post you just quoted? :lol:
I did. Your argument seems to be that people don't think The Beatles are the greatest band in history and there are many better bands since 1990. I'll accept that as a valid answer. Not everything needs to be argued against.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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It all depends on who you ask. I like the Beatles a lot. Boyd knows a lot about music but he doesn't like them at all. I'm sure Boyd and Bagels and guys like that could easily name many better bands than the Beatles post-1990. I don't know that I would agree with the list, but that's the sort of the point.
My perception is that in general The Beatles are considered the best band ever by the most amount of people. If your stance is now that many bands post-1990 are better then I can accept that.

Did you not read the post you just quoted? :lol:
I did. Your argument seems to be that people don't think The Beatles are the greatest band in history and there are many better bands since 1990. I'll accept that as a valid answer. Not everything needs to be argued against.

You were so close.

My argument is that SOME people don't think they are the greatest band. There's a significant difference between the following two sentences.

people don't think The Beatles are the greatest band in history

some people don't think The Beatles are the greatest band in history

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You can't really say that a band that wrote most of the music that they are lauded for was just wholly swept up in the cultural zeitgeist of the time.
So that begs the question why no other group has ever been able to have anywhere close to the impact they had. Is it that it never happened that 4 people of similar ability haven't met each other in the past 40 or so years? You would think that at some point in the years that followed 1980 that someone would have stepped up to be The Beatles 2.0 or it means that they were so talented that it would be impossible to ever match them.


You could say the same thing about fine art or classical music. Circumstance and talent both play into it in a fungible ratio, you can never devise a formula for it.

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You were so close.

My argument is that SOME people don't think they are the greatest band. There's a significant difference between the following two sentences.

people don't think The Beatles are the greatest band in history

some people don't think The Beatles are the greatest band in history
My opinion is that the answer to "Who is the greatest band in history?" would result in The Beatles being the answer by a significant margin by the most amount of people. If you are saying that is wrong then I accept that as a valid answer.

If your point is that at least one person in the world doesn't feel they are the greatest band in history then I don't really see how that changes anything.

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You can't really say that a band that wrote most of the music that they are lauded for was just wholly swept up in the cultural zeitgeist of the time.
So that begs the question why no other group has ever been able to have anywhere close to the impact they had. Is it that it never happened that 4 people of similar ability haven't met each other in the past 40 or so years? You would think that at some point in the years that followed 1980 that someone would have stepped up to be The Beatles 2.0 or it means that they were so talented that it would be impossible to ever match them.


You could say the same thing about fine art or classical music. Circumstance and talent both play into it in a fungible ratio, you can never devise a formula for it.
Agreed. You can take it even further and extend it to things like science and math. I'm not saying The Beatles weren't talented. I just don't think they were more talented than anyone else who has ever picked up an instrument.

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Never liked Seinfeld. Have seen less than 10 episodes. A show about nothing, indeed.

The Rolling Stones can roll off a cliff.

The Beatles essentially wrote or subsequently influenced just about every pop song you have ever heard, whether you realize it or not. Does that make them great? Eh...I don't know. I like 25% of their catalog.

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Case closed.


That’s what’s great about them. When you “sell out” at the beginning of your career and then do whatever you want you get pretty creative. To go from I Want to Hold Your Hand in 1963 (not that creating a great pop music song is some small feat) to Revolver in 1966 is absolutely remarkable.


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Telegram Sam wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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They [The Beatles] would have been the Backstreet Boys or One Direction if born at a different time.


You literally said The Beatles would be a singing and dancing quartet had they came around 30 years later than they did. The rest of the quote is largely irrelevant to that point.
:lol:

You just acknowledged that my quote was not about equal music abilities but the different period of time, so thanks for settling that.

You can't really say that a band that wrote most of the music that they are lauded for was just wholly swept up in the cultural zeitgeist of the time.



I think Rick is overstating things a bit. In fact, I don't think he 100% believes what he is saying himself. However, I don't think the impact, popularity, and reach of the Beatles can be divorced from the sheer size of the Baby Boomer generation. Similarly, I don't think Ozempic and Eliquis would have had the same impact in 1900. This is where the Boomers are today.

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You can't really say that a band that wrote most of the music that they are lauded for was just wholly swept up in the cultural zeitgeist of the time.
So that begs the question why no other group has ever been able to have anywhere close to the impact they had. Is it that it never happened that 4 people of similar ability haven't met each other in the past 40 or so years? You would think that at some point in the years that followed 1980 that someone would have stepped up to be The Beatles 2.0 or it means that they were so talented that it would be impossible to ever match them.


You could say the same thing about fine art or classical music. Circumstance and talent both play into it in a fungible ratio, you can never devise a formula for it.


Correct...Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart are to this day considered the greatest classical composers ever, but much of that has to do with time and place. That's not to take anything away from their talents.

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You can't really say that a band that wrote most of the music that they are lauded for was just wholly swept up in the cultural zeitgeist of the time.
So that begs the question why no other group has ever been able to have anywhere close to the impact they had. Is it that it never happened that 4 people of similar ability haven't met each other in the past 40 or so years? You would think that at some point in the years that followed 1980 that someone would have stepped up to be The Beatles 2.0 or it means that they were so talented that it would be impossible to ever match them.


You could say the same thing about fine art or classical music. Circumstance and talent both play into it in a fungible ratio, you can never devise a formula for it.


Correct...Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart are to this day considered the greatest classical composers ever, but much of that has to do with time and place. That's not to take anything away from their talents.

Yup. If they were alive today they are doing music for Star Wars.

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Telegram Sam wrote:
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You can't really say that a band that wrote most of the music that they are lauded for was just wholly swept up in the cultural zeitgeist of the time.
So that begs the question why no other group has ever been able to have anywhere close to the impact they had. Is it that it never happened that 4 people of similar ability haven't met each other in the past 40 or so years? You would think that at some point in the years that followed 1980 that someone would have stepped up to be The Beatles 2.0 or it means that they were so talented that it would be impossible to ever match them.


You could say the same thing about fine art or classical music. Circumstance and talent both play into it in a fungible ratio, you can never devise a formula for it.


Correct...Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart are to this day considered the greatest classical composers ever, but much of that has to do with time and place. That's not to take anything away from their talents.


Bach's earliest work is published in 1707. Beethoven's last in 1823.

Maybe your Beatles 2.0 are coming, Rick. They're just not here yet.

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The internet, as a whole, has been a net detriment for humanity.



As has the internal combustion engine.

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The internet, as a whole, has been a net detriment for humanity.

It is at the same time both the best and worst thing to ever happen to humanity.

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The internet, as a whole, has been a net detriment for humanity.
I would argue the internet and similar information technology has been the biggest protection against a third world war.

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The internet, as a whole, has been a net detriment for humanity.
Not the internet as a whole, but certain website have yes.

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I would argue the internet and similar information technology has been the biggest protection against a third world war.


how many other wars and insurrections has it aided

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The internet, as a whole, has been a net detriment for humanity.

It is at the same time both the best and worst thing to ever happen to humanity.


It has aided in producing great thoughts and items, I do not debate that.

It has also produced an almost worldwide neurosis among our children, allowed the revelation of personal vices in which we otherwise wouldn't have engaged and manipulated our vanity to the point that an image of us at looking at reality is more important than reality

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Michael Jackson = Mozart.

(I think his pa said that after Michael died.)


I guess that makes Prince = Beethoven to him.

I'm good with that.

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