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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:47 pm 
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Lucky Lee’s, the “clean” and tone-deaf NYC Chinese restaurant, closes

Here’s a piece of advice for aspiring restaurateurs out there: If you are going to open a restaurant, particularly one that serves a cuisine from a culture that is unfamiliar to you, you’d damned well better do your research. Otherwise, you might end up like Arielle Haspel, a white nutritionist who decided to open up Lucky Lee’s, a “clean” Chinese restaurant in Manhattan last spring. Lucky Lee’s is now closed, after just eight months.

Lucky Lee’s was the center of controversy even before it opened. As Chinese chefs and food writers point out, the word “clean” implies that other Chinese food is “dirty,” a stereotype that Chinese restaurants have been fighting for decades. Haspel didn’t help her cause by posting messages on Instagram like, “We heard you’re obsessed with lo mein but rarely eat it. You said it makes you feel bloated and icky the next day? Well, wait until you slurp up our HIGH lo mein. Not too oily. Or salty.” Then it was revealed that the restaurant was named after Haspel’s husband Lee, who is also white, leading to charges of cultural appropriation. The backlash was such that Yelp had to disable Lucky Lee’s listing.

The New York Times published a lengthy article about the controversy including an interview with Haspel, who explained that “clean” was a reference to the clean eating movement, which involves consumption of organic foods and olive oil and the avoidance of MSG, and apologized for misrepresenting Chinese food. “We were never trying to do something against the Chinese community,” she said. “We thought we were complementing an incredibly important cuisine, in a way that would cater to people that had certain dietary requirements.” The Times also quoted Haspel’s critics at length, who pointed out that many Chinese restaurants already used organic ingredients and that they didn’t feel bloated when they ate Chinese food. A story about the closing by NBC News added that bias against MSG is less about scientifically proven health effects and more about racism.

Lucky Lee’s was one of a group of “lucky” Chinese restaurants founded by white people, including Andrew Zimmern’s Lucky Cricket outside Minneapolis and Gordon Ramsay’s Lucky Cat in London.

Both of those, however, remain open.


I tried typing up some comments on how I disagree with pretty much all of this, but it seems so obvious that putting it into words seems condescending. This writer is stupid, and we have an issue in our society where thoughts like this are not only common, but the writer does not feel ashamed in writing them and large groups of people rally around the comments in some misguided attempt to be accepting.

You know what demonstrates acceptance? Not shutting down restaurants because you think the owner is of the wrong race for that type of food.

How very progressive of me!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:00 pm 
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I'll admit that the phrase "clean Chinese" does clang a little bit because of, yes, your average strip mall takeout joint feeling a little dirty, but that doesn't justify turning a mob against the place. The restaurant itself isn't out of line; Chinese food in America is so far removed from actual Chinese food for actual Chinese people that doing a health-food take on it isn't appreciably different from selling, I dunno, gourmet artisan Pop-Tarts or something like that.

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I'll admit that the phrase "clean Chinese" does clang a little bit because of, yes, your average strip mall takeout joint feeling a little dirty, but that doesn't justify turning a mob against the place. The restaurant itself isn't out of line; Chinese food in America is so far removed from actual Chinese food for actual Chinese people that doing a health-food take on it isn't appreciably different from selling, I dunno, gourmet artisan Pop-Tarts or something like that.



It's not really a stereotype though. It's pretty much a fact. Everybody has been to the typical old school "Cantonese" place with old dirty carpet, etc. But hey, I loved Kow Kow! I love Orange Garden!

This is making me laugh because there is a place my partner and I like to go to in Bensenville if we're driving around out that way and neither of us knows the name of it. We just call it the "Clean Chinese", because it is atypically clean. The food there is great too. It's on York Road and I just had to look up the name. It's Jade Dragon.

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Let's be honest, when The Takeout was Kevin Pang and Kate Bernot...it was a decent food blog without the overt connotations of liberal bullshit. Now that they are gone, it's almost turned into Food Deadspin.

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and PF Changs gets off scott free?


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and PF Changs gets off scott free?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
I'll admit that the phrase "clean Chinese" does clang a little bit because of, yes, your average strip mall takeout joint feeling a little dirty, but that doesn't justify turning a mob against the place. The restaurant itself isn't out of line; Chinese food in America is so far removed from actual Chinese food for actual Chinese people that doing a health-food take on it isn't appreciably different from selling, I dunno, gourmet artisan Pop-Tarts or something like that.



It's not really a stereotype though. It's pretty much a fact. Everybody has been to the typical old school "Cantonese" place with old dirty carpet, etc. But hey, I loved Kow Kow! I love Orange Garden!

This is making me laugh because there is a place my partner and I like to go to in Bensenville if we're driving around out that way and neither of us knows the name of it. We just call it the "Clean Chinese", because it is atypically clean. The food there is great too. It's on York Road and I just had to look up the name. It's Jade Dragon.


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