Yeah you guys always give yourself an inch or so.

I think I left UIC with $25k in student loan debt....and I was there for a bit.

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If I ever had the nerve to think I had a lot in common with Curious Hair, Denis and Sir R. Reader, well that would be one heady day for me, I must say.

I got to know a couple of my Professors personally, I imagine my attendance and grades helped me stand out. That led to scholarships, stipends, an assistant job, a summer internship, and a job offer. In the end, none of that helped me get where I am now, but it sure opened a lot of doors then.

See I disagree with this a bit Frank and here would be my points.

I am just believer that education has inherent value in itself. If a 19 year old is at a rigorous academic institution and studying "great books" and putting in the requisite effort and learning the subject matter, I think that has intrinsic value. The human brain is still in a developmental stage into the early 20s, so you're feeding and developing a growing brain, that is going to have lifelong positive results.

That said, someone who studies "great books" as a major should be aware that they are likely going to take a much less glamorous and low paying initial job than someone with a more vocational major. They are going to start off behind a lot of their peers. The key though is that degree allows them a path to promotion from that initial job that someone without that degree could not access. My brother is quite successful in his career and his major has nothing to do at all with his current job. Now he had to work a lot of years at some suck ass jobs, but that is just how it goes.

I never had a car in undergrad and didn't have one till my second year of grad school, I primarily used it to get home for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Who wants a car at school? Cars suck, driving cars sucks. College is the one time in your life you don't need a car. All you need is a bike. Riding a bike fucking rules. The worst thing about being a grown up is being in a car. Hell work is fun most of the days, but driving around in a car all the time. Fuck that.

My wife and I bought our house in an area where we knew that we lived in close proximity to walk to bars, shops, restaurants, etc. 6 months ago I got a bike because I wanted to expand my radius of places I could go without a car. All the time I'm biking to places even though it arguably would be shorter to take a car.

Agreed on all, One Post.

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I studied the great books during undergrad. I took and work in a non-glamorous vocation. I feel very seen by this post...

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We know that you baited us all with your comment.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
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