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Is anybody left in the Mitch camp besides Nas?

I think he can be a good starting quarterback but it won't be in Chicago. Either he or Nagy have to go.


Google (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing to the left or something like that. Check out all the independent analysis done on how awful and inaccurate he is throwing to his left and more generally anything beyond 10-12 yards. What makes you think he can be a good starting QB?

Why am I making your case for you?

A coach who can play to his strengths could get good production. Get him moving. Do some planned runs at logical times. The Bears lead the league in dropped passes too.

Obviously he would have to improve on things he isn't good at. That isn't impossible at his age.

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Teams prepping for the Bears must watch film with jaws dropped or laughing. Nagy's utter refusal to simplify things should be featured in sports psychology lectures for years.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Is anybody left in the Mitch camp besides Nas?

I think he can be a good starting quarterback but it won't be in Chicago. Either he or Nagy have to go.


Google (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing to the left or something like that. Check out all the independent analysis done on how awful and inaccurate he is throwing to his left and more generally anything beyond 10-12 yards. What makes you think he can be a good starting QB?

Why am I making your case for you?

A coach who can play to his strengths could get good production. Get him moving. Do some planned runs at logical times. The Bears lead the league in dropped passes too.

Obviously he would have to improve on things he isn't good at. That isn't impossible at his age.


I fundamentally disagree with you implying Nagy hasn't tried to align the playcalling and system with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's strengths. That was the basis on which he was hired. He is the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky whisperer. You can't coach accuracy or quicker thinking.

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Jackson seems to be better.

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veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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312player wrote:
Is anybody left in the Mitch camp besides Nas?

I think he can be a good starting quarterback but it won't be in Chicago. Either he or Nagy have to go.


Google (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing to the left or something like that. Check out all the independent analysis done on how awful and inaccurate he is throwing to his left and more generally anything beyond 10-12 yards. What makes you think he can be a good starting QB?

Why am I making your case for you?

A coach who can play to his strengths could get good production. Get him moving. Do some planned runs at logical times. The Bears lead the league in dropped passes too.

Obviously he would have to improve on things he isn't good at. That isn't impossible at his age.


I fundamentally disagree with you implying Nagy hasn't tried to align the playcalling and system with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's strengths. That was the basis on which he was hired. He is the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky whisperer. You can't coach accuracy or quicker thinking.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is most dangerous with his legs either by passing from moving or by running. He basically doesn't run any more. He was running all the time last year.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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veganfan21 wrote:
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312player wrote:
Is anybody left in the Mitch camp besides Nas?

I think he can be a good starting quarterback but it won't be in Chicago. Either he or Nagy have to go.


Google (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing to the left or something like that. Check out all the independent analysis done on how awful and inaccurate he is throwing to his left and more generally anything beyond 10-12 yards. What makes you think he can be a good starting QB?

Why am I making your case for you?

A coach who can play to his strengths could get good production. Get him moving. Do some planned runs at logical times. The Bears lead the league in dropped passes too.

Obviously he would have to improve on things he isn't good at. That isn't impossible at his age.


I fundamentally disagree with you implying Nagy hasn't tried to align the playcalling and system with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's strengths. That was the basis on which he was hired. He is the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky whisperer. You can't coach accuracy or quicker thinking.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is most dangerous with his legs either by passing from moving or by running. He basically doesn't run any more. He was running all the time last year.


That's easy to figure out from a defensive point of view unless you're Jackson or Vick, which he is not. At some point you have to make plays from the pocket.

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That's easy to figure out from a defensive point of view unless you're Jackson or Vick, which he is not. At some point you have to make plays from the pocket.
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was a better runner than Jackson last year based on the stats. You don't completely give up on that.

Defenses can stop it but then it makes it much easier to do other things as they concentrate on your quarterback.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had 41 rushes his rookie year. He had 68 last year. He would get about 6 yards per rush.
He has 15 this year for less than 4 yards per carry.

It's inexcusable, especially with what we've seen with Jackson, if Nagy decided to completely remove that part of his game.

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Let's keep running the option to the short side whenever we need 1yd.

WTF Nagy?!

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The season is over. They had to win that game yesterday and Nagy coached an awful game. He needs to get fired. That call on the 3rd and one in the 4th quarter when they were down three was pathetic. I'm very disappointed about this season and the job that Pace and Nagy have done. Can't wait until spring training in Arizona. :x :x :x :x

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Reignited.

https://sports.yahoo.com/did-mitch-trub ... 41034.html

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He's right. Nagy was exposed far more than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this year.

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He's right. Nagy was exposed far more than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this year.



They both suck

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The Bears are out because their offense sucked. They're a bottom seven to ten team in production and points scored. How you can say that's all Nagy's fault when his QB has documented literacy and throwing problems is unclear. At the very least the employment of both need to be reassessed this spring. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky sucking is the bigger problem of the two since false belief in him will mean wasting years waiting for him to develop into something he's clearly not.

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It's not all Nagy, but he's a big part of the regression of Mitch.

His playcalling has been erratic all season.

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312player wrote:
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He's right. Nagy was exposed far more than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this year.



They both suck
Pro Bowl QB joke aside, people thought (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was still a ways away from being where he needed to be. Nagy was the coach of the year last year and he refused to use (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's best skill for all but one game this season.

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We all saw the same thing. Most if not all of the Bears big plays came with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky scrambling or buying time.

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It's not all Nagy, but he's a big part of the regression of Mitch.

His playcalling has been erratic all season.


I would put far less on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and the skill players than Nagy. We saw how the offense can produce when they had a game called the way they like.

Nagy panics under pressure just like Maddon did. He's clearly a great leader form Monday until game day.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He's right. Nagy was exposed far more than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this year.



They both suck
Pro Bowl QB joke aside, people thought (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was still a ways away from being where he needed to be. Nagy was the coach of the year last year and he refused to use (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's best skill for all but one game this season.


It would be like Baltimore forcing Lamar Jackson to be a pocket passer. COACH TO THE TALENT OF YOUR QB.

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We all saw the same thing. Most if not all of the Bears big plays came with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky scrambling or buying time.

Good luck if your future is based on this as a game plan going forward.

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We all saw the same thing. Most if not all of the Bears big plays came with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky scrambling or buying time.

Good luck if your future is based on this as a game plan going forward.


Coaching to the talents of your quarterback is what any good offensive coach would do.

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Let's agree (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't exactly a hidden Lamar Jackson here. Even fanboys like Nas can agree there (I assume).

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Let's agree (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't exactly a hidden Lamar Jackson here. Even fanboys like Nas can agree there (I assume).


Of course he isn't. He is closer to a younger Wilson skill wise than Jackson. The point is that you don't try to make him Tom Brady when he's really more like Jared Goff with not as strong of an arm but the ability to run and make really good throws on the run.

He's reading defenses better. Maybe the other stuff will come later on. Even if it doesn't you have a better chance winning coaching to his talent than making him a statue in the pocket.

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I thought Nagy had snapped out of his idiotic play calling but from what I've read, it doesn't seem like it this week.


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Nas wrote:
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Let's agree (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't exactly a hidden Lamar Jackson here. Even fanboys like Nas can agree there (I assume).


Of course he isn't. He is closer to a younger Wilson skill wise than Jackson. The point is that you don't try to make him Tom Brady when he's really more like Jared Goff with not as strong of an arm but the ability to run and make really good throws on the run.

He's reading defenses better. Maybe the other stuff will come later on. Even if it doesn't you have a better chance winning coaching to his talent than making him a statue in the pocket.


There's a reason he can't play backyard football every game - defenses catch up and stop that junk. The Packers said it the first game of the season. You and Rick and others are implying that the key to "unlocking" this supposed real (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is to simply dumb the game down and let him create on his own. This assumed Nagy doesn't know this and hasn't already tried to do this on ocassion when it's feasible to do so. One reason he's limited with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is because (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky cannot throw to his left without either throwing it to the other team or basically missing his targets by more than five yards. Another reason he limits (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is because (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can't progress through his reads without taking a sack or throwing to a guy he's locked on to despite better options elsewhere (that he can't see because he can't read). In other words, the reason (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is so liimited is because he's not a good QB.

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Let's agree (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't exactly a hidden Lamar Jackson here. Even fanboys like Nas can agree there (I assume).


Of course he isn't. He is closer to a younger Wilson skill wise than Jackson. The point is that you don't try to make him Tom Brady when he's really more like Jared Goff with not as strong of an arm but the ability to run and make really good throws on the run.

He's reading defenses better. Maybe the other stuff will come later on. Even if it doesn't you have a better chance winning coaching to his talent than making him a statue in the pocket.


There's a reason he can't play backyard football every game - defenses catch up and stop that junk. The Packers said it the first game of the season. You and Rick and others are implying that the key to "unlocking" this supposed real (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is to simply dumb the game down and let him create on his own. This assumed Nagy doesn't know this and hasn't already tried to do this on ocassion when it's feasible to do so. One reason he's limited with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is because (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky cannot throw to his left without either throwing it to the other team or basically missing his targets by more than five yards. Another reason he limits (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is because (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can't progress through his reads without taking a sack or throwing to a guy he's locked on to despite better options elsewhere (that he can't see because he can't read). In other words, the reason (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is so liimited is because he's not a good QB.


They played "backyard football" against a far superior defense last week. Outside of the interception in the 4th quarter most of the suckage today was on Nagy. Even the replays showed the routes and no one was close to being open.

Lamar Jackson would have 50 interceptions if he was forced to stand in the pocket and go through all of his progressions. Fortunately for him his coach isn't stubborn.

We've seen things work all season and then Nagy inexplicably abandons it for the offense HE wants to run. The I-formation got the running game going and he's abandoned it because he was afraid that other teams would stop it. The Bears offense looked much improved recently and with the season on the line he abandons it for HIS offense. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has been telling us all season what he and his teammates want. It's the coach who isn't listening.

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We all saw the same thing. Most if not all of the Bears big plays came with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky scrambling or buying time.

Good luck if your future is based on this as a game plan going forward.

Why not? Rodgers did it for 8 years?

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