This team is flawed offensively. They tried to put an offensive line together with paper clips and rubber bands. This is on Pace. They failed to get a good tight end. That is also on Pace. They still do not have a good all around running back. That is on Pace also. I just think that you can't blame the problems on the offense just on Nagy nor (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Their offense need big improvements in the off season. They do have some money to spend and need to do it.

What this last group of games to me have shown that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is a worthy quarterback. ANd I think that Nagy protected him while he was hurt and that was the reason why he didn't move around as much earlier than he is doing now. Mitch can throw the ball and they have some good receivers. I would make Patterson more or a prime target and put Cohen in more as a slot receiver than as a running back.

But, once again, I put most of the blame on the weakness of the offense on Pace's shoulders. Over-all, in his career, I'd give him a C- grade and that really is pretty poor.

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Was Nagy also protecting (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky when he wasn't hurt earlier this season. Was he protecting him in the first half yesterday? Did he finally get away from trying to run HIS offense once the Bears got behind by a lot?

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He shows signs of being a dynamic player when teams are afraid he will run either by design or by an option to run if receivers aren't open. The problem is Nagy only seemed to realize this for the Dallas game. With your whole season on the line against the Packers and running (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't part of the plan is just terrible coaching.

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There is just as strong a possibility that Nagy's offense was hamstrung by a bad quarterback.

The Oline has been bad all season. Fix that, and you fix a lot of the offensive problems the team has.

They were nowhere near as healthy this season as they were last season. Build better depth for 2020.

Maybe, just maybe, play some starters in the preseason as well.

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I agree with much of what you're saying here, but it's also clear that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is less confident/effective running (and passing) against zone defenses than he is against man-to-man schemes.

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The problem with that is that Nagy didn't use (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky correctly even if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is a bad quarterback.

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I'm disappointed with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky this year but you at least have to try and use his best skill to see.

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Last season's health was unsustainable. I tried telling you guys that all summer, and you dismissed it. Green Bay likewise is also enjoying unsustainable injury luck so far this year.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky just throws better and makes better reads when he's feeling confident with his legs.

Another item to add to the column against Nagy is that he is 0fer when having extra time to prepare for an opponent.

0-2 to start the season (Packers, Packers)
0-2 coming off of a bye (Dolphins, Saints)
0-2 when playing on Thursday the previous week (Giants, Packers)

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That's sort of amusing given Reid is the polar opposite.

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It's sort of a small sample, but it does make you wonder what the players and coaching staff do with that extra time off.

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Used to be. He's recognized zone and played better against it the 2nd half of the season. We've seen much improved decision making and throws the 2nd half of the season. Even flashes of greatness.

Being forced to stand in the pocket with a ragtag offensive line would impact all quarterbacks. Especially one who isn't really good from the pocket to begin with.

Iv

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Yep! I called this yesterday and inside the top secret FB group last week. Maybe he over thinks things too much.

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All of these are correct.

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Bears recent play-callers in Year 2 thru 14 games:
PPG
22.5 Martz (2011)
21.1 Trestman (2014)
18.3 Nagy (2019)
16.7 Loggains (2017)

YPP
5.4 Trestman (2014)
5.1 Martz (2011)
5.0 Loggains (2017)
4.7 Nagy (2019)

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I think that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was hurt earlier in the season. No, he wasn't protecting him in the first half yesterday. I think that he coached a very timid offensive game yesterday and has the entire season. I'm not saying that Nagy is a good offensive coach. What I am saying is that Pace has put together a really bad offensive line, a tight end, and a running game. I know this, it is tough to win in the NFL when your line can't block, your running backs can't average 4 yards per carry, and you have no tight end that is a prime receiver in your offense. That shit is not on Nagy. That is on Pace.

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I think he recognizes it. If he doesn't, he is blind. Look, they were in the game the entire first half. Then GB kicked the shit out of the defense in the 3rd quarter. Give the Bear's some credit. They hung in the game despite having really shitty calls and just plain bad breaks and over-all luck.

I just think that the blame for this bad season is mostly on Pace for what he intentionally set up as their offense. He should have known how bad our tackles are and that Long going into the season was a big IF to stay healthy. It didn't have to be the way it was. He made it so by plan and to me, that is unforgiveable. I think that Nagy deserves another season as HC. I don't think that Pace does.

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But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I believe it is clear that Nagy's offense was not hurt by a bad quarterback. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has played well since he has been healthy. He made throws that many NFL quarterbacks cannot do. And his mobility is excellent, certainly a top 3-4 most mobile qb around right now. Making him a scapegoat for a disappointing season is ridiculous.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Wow. Just wow. Here’s hoping management sees it the same way.

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Pace continues to make bad decisions on pro personnel, Lucas is just a guy, but he's outplayed the guy that Pace decided he needed to lock up. Really need to take a look at Bars in the last few games, he's likely better than either of the current OT's, but Pace/Nagy have him buried for some reason. Forcing Nagy to bring in an experienced NFL OC may be the only thing that saves Nagy's job. Most organizations would launch an offensive head coach if they failed at developing a high draft pick QB, their offense was bottom 5 in the league, or if they consistently miss on player evaluation. Nagy has failed at all three of these tasks and if he had a Jerry Jones type owner he would already have been forced to at the very least fire his OC.

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It's frustrating hearing and seeing people blame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Is he perfect? No. Does he make mistakes, yes. Does he have trouble seeing the field at times? Yes. But you can win with him. Especially if he's doing what he's good at.

It's not just (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky that doesn't look good when Nagy is running his horrible awful offense, it's the whole offense. The run game looks awful, the offensive line looks awful, the receivers (Anthony Miller, except for Packers game) looks awful, the tight ends are under utilized, yeah I know they suck, but look at the Cowboys game and see how well they were used.

The thing is Nagy knows what works. Everyone else in the world, even us losers, know what works. What is wrong that he won't stick with what works? Does he hate (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? Keeping Nagy around is pointless if he won't change. You have to use (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky now while he's cheap.

It's almost unfortunate that the defense was so good last year with the takeaways and scoring and they didn't go 8-8 instead. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. We know Nagy would be gone after this year.

Heard Spiegel on my way home from work last night and he summed this up quite nicely.

Nagy is scheming for the offensive players he "wished" he had, not what he actually he has. Earlier in the season I was giving consideration to the conspiracy theory of him doing it intentionally point out Mitch was a bust. I wasn't sold on that, but thought it plausible. Now I'm convinced that's not the case....Nagy is just that bad / immature as a head coach.

Mitch is a bust. There are things he can do but he's got way too much Jay Cutler in him. That being said, Nagy is a bigger problem than Mitch. Ryan Pace is a bigger problem than Mitch. I can't tell who I'd call a bigger problem between Nagy and Pace, but since shit rolls downhill.....1. Pace 2. Nagy 3. Mitch.

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He was really good last night.

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I was called a (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky apologist and a meatball for suggesting many of these things earlier this season. While the labels are true I did recognize the issues with Nagy. I imagine that the scrutiny will make him adjust.

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Coaching and bad play calling killed the Bears this season. The defense regressed on an overall and individual level under Pagano this year too which isn’t getting talked about much with the offense being such a colossal shit show. Some regression after a historical season was to be expected on the overall level, but the individual level was where it was telling that Pagano and his staff were not as good at coaching guys up as Fangio and his staff were. Hicks going down seemed to effect this defense more than I personally believe it would have under Vic. No way for me to prove that, but that’s my take.


I don’t see anyone getting fired tho. Not this off season. If the results are similar after next season then I expect some heads to roll, but it’s not going to happen yet.


The Bears are good enough talent wise to be a 10-6 to 12-4 type team with better coaching and play calling imo. But whether or not that’s what happens next year is beyond me.

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While I’m right there with you on the coaching/playcalling thing (and I’ve been mentioning it all year too).. Mitch and the O-line are also a big part of the issue as well. He’s a #2 overall pick that they traded up to get finishing his 3rd year in the league as a starter, he has to be better than he has been. He deserves blame for sure. He hasn’t been good enough.

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I think he deserves blame but there isn't much around him and I think he's made a lot of improvements recently reading defenses and taking control of the offense. This offense needs a TE and the best production they've gotten were from a practice squad player and a guy who was on the street. Our tackles were below average. Whitehair was the only good offensive lineman all year. Our running game was somehow worse than last year. Nagy's stubbornness and ineptness with the play calling was by far the biggest problem. Allen Robinson was the lone bright spot. The past few weeks Anthony Miller showed that he can be a really good #2 if he gets his head together

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Everyone was angry at John Fox for running a boring offense and now everyone is angry at Matt Nagy for not running a boring offense. Folks, make up your mind. They brought Nagy in to update the offense, but they still need a QB