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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:42 am 
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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I've never even heard of Slack and the fact that I get 300 emails/day makes me feel like it is not going away in the near future.

We use Skype for Business but most people here don't even use it. I find it somewhat useful.

The fact that you’re getting 300 emails per day is the reason it will be replaced. They are an extraordinary time waster.


No argument here. I really only need to get about 75 of those but I have to read all of them just in case since I don't know which 75 I need - many in a foreign language which is an additional time-waster.

I just don't see what could replace it.

The real issue is that we are always on the clock. The emails come 24/7 because I carry my email machine in my pocket every waking hour.

You should have an argument there.

Assuming we aren't talking about spam, which has pretty much been solved, then you are getting 300 emails per day because there are 300 things that you need to know a day. That doesn't change regardless of how it is sent to you.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
- many in a foreign language which is an additional time-waster.
Another reason why email will likely never go away. When you are doing business with people in other countries, it's not always convenient to Skype or whatever when one party has to wake up at 3am to do so.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I've never even heard of Slack and the fact that I get 300 emails/day makes me feel like it is not going away in the near future.

We use Skype for Business but most people here don't even use it. I find it somewhat useful.

The fact that you’re getting 300 emails per day is the reason it will be replaced. They are an extraordinary time waster.


No argument here. I really only need to get about 75 of those but I have to read all of them just in case since I don't know which 75 I need - many in a foreign language which is an additional time-waster.

I just don't see what could replace it.

The real issue is that we are always on the clock. The emails come 24/7 because I carry my email machine in my pocket every waking hour.

You should have an argument there.

Assuming we aren't talking about spam, which has pretty much been solved, then you are getting 300 emails per day because there are 300 things that you need to know a day. That doesn't change regardless of how it is sent to you.
He literally said that 75% are time wasters that he still has to read.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:52 am 
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
He literally said that 75% are time wasters that he still has to read.
He still has to read them. He isn't talking about spam emails which have been already pretty much solved with email. It's a conversation between two people that he has been included on because it was determined that it is information he may need to know. You can't do anything about that unless we are talking about something like a virtual assistant archiving those emails but that feature likely comes to your email system instead of it being a replacement.

The issue that makes someone have to read a lot of emails is being included on a lot of emails. No system in the world is going to replace people including you on things they write.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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- many in a foreign language which is an additional time-waster.
Another reason why email will likely never go away. When you are doing business with people in other countries, it's not always convenient to Skype or whatever when one party has to wake up at 3am to do so.
That assumes email or skype will remain the only options for that type of communication. I believe a different technology will be developed that provides the benefits of email in a simpler and more efficient manner.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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- many in a foreign language which is an additional time-waster.
Another reason why email will likely never go away. When you are doing business with people in other countries, it's not always convenient to Skype or whatever when one party has to wake up at 3am to do so.
That assumes email or skype will remain the only options for that type of communication. I believe a different technology will be developed that provides the benefits of email in a simpler and more efficient manner.
As I pointed out though, that will likely still be email. It's already designed to be far more conversational than it was in the beginning.

You still ultimately reach the same problem with email, which is that people want to send you a piece of information they feel you at least need the option to see. AI is probably going to continue to improve. Google is doing a lot of good work with that already. However, if someone in the office wants you to know that there are donuts in the breakroom you are going to get a communication about it and you are going to have to read it even if you don't care.

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Has anyone answered how should colleges communicate to prospective students if not through mail/email?


The way we are experiencing it is through some portal where all your applications are entered and all answers are received. I think its called Naviance. I'm more on the creative end of the process.

The colleges send e mails to parents, which I get immediately. It seems pretty efficient to me.

If someone told me they would be giving me notice of something that I've been working for over the last four years by US regular mail, I'd make sure to be sitting there like Charlie brown waiting for a valentine. I'd realize I don't get to demand the means of notice as I'm the asker.

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I think some people are taken what is needed to work internally being the same as dealing with the outside. I could see instant messaging being more efficient inside your job than email. However, that is not the same as dealing with people outside your office.


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Slack is great for internal communication and getting quick answers. However, I'm working with a client right now that is a massive corporation. They have different slack instances for MANY of their departments. So at this moment I have 3 slack instances open for communicating with my client, and one open for my own company. It's a major pain in the ass.

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No military in the world uses anything other than email and even what little interaction I have with commercial aviation is the same. The contracting world revolves around emails.


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FF, FC, conns, et al:

We do not disagree on what is but only on what is to come. I'm sensing a general end-of-history vibe when I read some of the more vociferous posts on here in support/in defense of email, as if email is the pinnacle of workplace digital communication and nothing will ever supplant it. That process is already underway at least in terms of internal communication, like Zippy, DB, and even FF have admitted. FC and others correctly point out the obstacle in using anything but email to communicate externally. But with things like DocuSign, Blue Moon, and other cloud-based stuff we're seeing technologies designed to facilitate comms, document transfers, etc., between different entities outside of the traditional email structure. That's only going to increase as more and more people who don't use email spark innovation in the tech space, just like millennials sparked innovation that has already led to the diminished use of email for social comms. Of course email is still the most predominant form of business comms - I am not disputing that. What I am saying is that 1) there already are technologies deployed to replace email as the main form of communication (we've already covered this) and 2) obviously generation Z will shape the future of both social and business comms and in that future the role of email will be diminished. It's already happening anyway. Email is not the end of workplace digital communications history.  

Frank, I totally sympathize with you on the low-tech entities for whom even email - old as it is - is itself some kind of revolutionary upgrade. I deal with federal agencies from time to time whose tech is annoyingly archaic, so I know what you mean. Even worse, I deal with super low-tech vendors in the developing world, many of whom still use paper as the primary mode of business. I feel the pain. I will fully admit that to get them on email is a win. At the same time, at least domestically, underfunded and non-tech savvy as they are, these municipalities, local agencies, etc., are going to have to adapt. As we covered already, more and more connected citizens do not use email as a primary mode of communication. Whether you're a federal agency or a multinational conglomerate, you're going to have to develop ways to reach your target audience and/or be able to be reached by constituents. I'm not saying we will see this - I'm saying we've already seen this happen before our eyes during the past 20-25 years. We've seen government bodies adapt and change according to the communication trends of the time. They've built websites, communicate via email, and even communicate via Twitter and FB. All of this was previously unthinkable. If we take a step back and just compare how government bodies and businesses interacted with consumers in the 1980s - 1990s to how they interact now, then I'm not sure why we're saying they will stop evolving when it comes to email. They've already mutated and adapted to the times and moving away from or diminishing email, as revolutionary as it once was, will not be some stumbling block they can never get around.    

Generationally, this conversation always happens. For millennials, there was great skepticism from the old guard about the viability of things like social media, e-commerce, and other non-traditional consumer and business practices. The millennials necessarily won out. Now, as new generations enter the scene, we're going to have the same conversation and the same thing is going to happen - the new kids on the block are going to win out. You adapt or become "that guy" complaining about how "in my day" we did things blah blah blah. Nobody cares. This is how it goes. 
There's nothing permanent in this digital landscape. Things come into existence, evolve, and die at blazingly light speeds. Nothing is sacred. FB dominated the world ten years ago and now it's on its deathbed. Email has enjoyed some longevity but again consumer trends don't lie.  

For the question about how can universities or whomever possibly communicate with students without an email address, come on, seriously? You are my guys, but come on here - this happens all the time all day every day. People say IoT is the next big wave and it probably is but currently the thing is mobile penetration. There are tons of startups out there that partner with businesses and educational institutions to build apps that streamline interaction for consumers, students, etc. There are already scholarship apps out there that consolidate applications and allow you to track the status of different things you've filed to different schools and/or foundations, all via a mobile app. In a world where you can order things from Amazon without using a computer or phone, where you can fly a drone using your phone, it's not hard to conceive of apps that allow you to manage and track the status of university applications. This stuff may even be out there and it's not difficult at all.    

I'll end with some excerpts from an evenhanded article about email. The article is three years old, but in digital years it's about ten years old. That's how fast shit is moving. 

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Since 1999, Internet use has increased more than tenfold—with the global online population going from about 280 million people to more than 3 billion people, according to Internet Live Stats. Email volume appears to be growing, still, but its share of overall electronic communication has shrunk.If there’s any clue from the behavior of teenagers as to the direction of a given technology, email appears, well, doomed. Teens barely use it (or Facebook for that matter), opting instead for text messaging and chatting on platforms like Snapchat and Instagram. Three-quarters of teens regularly text one another, according to a 2012 Pew study, while just 6 percent of them exchange emails routinely.
With more communications platforms to choose from, people aren’t using email as they once did. Today, there are too many real-time communications platforms to track. Along with email, people can chat through tweets, Gchat, Yik Yak, Snapchat, Facebook, Instagram, Viber, Skype, HipChat, FireChat, Cryptocat, and—perhaps most popular of all—text messaging.Slack, a real-time messaging platform built for the mobile era, may be the best known example of what business communications might look like in a post-email world, but many companies bill themselves as inbox destroyers. (It’s not an overstatement to say Slack can vastly reconfigure a person’s relationship with email: The Atlantic has used Slack since 2014, and, for me, it’s been transformative.) In the pre-Slack era, I worked in newsrooms that used Skype and Yammer. Asana is a project-management tool that promises “teamwork without email.” For email-free task collaboration, there’s also Trello and Basecamp, among others.In Silicon Valley, the question of what comes after email is already dated. In the newsroom where my colleagues and I used Skype, more than five years ago, one colleague, a website developer, refused to use email on principle. Lately, I’ve seen promoted tweets from a company, Ryver, promoting itself as the the product that will replace Slack. In 2011, Robert Half Technology polled 1,400 executives and found that more than half of them believed real-time communications platforms would surpass email by this year. Some people argue that’s already happened. 
The idea behind Slack is that, when you’re addressing the same core group of people via email all the time anyway, you might as well have a shared digital space so that people can dip in and out of the conversation as needed. (Just think: No more sifting through email threads in which six people reply-all to say “thanks.”) Slack isn’t about spending less time communicating, Butterfield says, it’s about accomplishing more in that time.


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