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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:08 am 
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The money investment doesn't worry me, its the commensurate playing time dedication that comes with such a contract that gets me a bit nervous. Keuchel is going to have a long, long leash and if he proves ineffective it'll take a lot of sucking before the Sox pull the plug. Still, I think he'll be adequate mostly.

Even if money is no object I think I'd rather have Keuchel than Wheeler. The Sox need the lefty and I just feel like less can go wrong with Keuchel, at this point he is what he is.

Madrigal and especially Robert need to break camp on the big league squad. The Sox are now on paper the best team in the AL Central. Minnesota has simply not done enough to offset losing four-fifths of their rotation. Cleveland is probably feeling even more motivated to deal Lindor now since the Sox are clearly going for it. I'm not sure we're as good as the Tribe even, but it wont take too many things going right for us to surpass them and they aren't going to run that risk.

A lot can still go wrong. They have a terrible manager and are banking on guys like Moncada, Robert and Eloy to all stay healthy, which is a big stretch. But hey, they are finally going for it.



I feel like Robert is gonna break camp. I don't know why they would hold Madrigal down. In the long run, it is not like this guy is gonna put up MVP type numbers. He is a slap hitter.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Congrats on reacquiring Jose Quintana .
Keuchel he has a winning percentage that is almost 30 points higher over 20 fewer career starts.

Keep your gas lighting shit in the politics section.


Gas lighting.. :lol:

Leave the buzz words to the sjw retards. Quintana has a winning % 5 points higher when he's a cub( away from that dogshit organization that is the White Sox)

5 points higher is basically the same

Keuchel is 20-19 last two years pitching for teams that won 103 and 97 games respectively . Frank is right though, he’s probably going to get better as he ages pitching for a worse team and not be at all like Quintana was for the Sox . Terrible comparison by me . Withdrawn your honor.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I was just laughing at 312 acting like 5 points is a big difference. I’m sure this Keuchel guy will probably suck.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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312player wrote:
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Congrats on reacquiring Jose Quintana .
Keuchel he has a winning percentage that is almost 30 points higher over 20 fewer career starts.

Keep your gas lighting shit in the politics section.


Gas lighting.. :lol:

Leave the buzz words to the sjw retards. Quintana has a winning % 5 points higher when he's a cub( away from that dogshit organization that is the White Sox)

5 points higher is basically the same



I meant 5 points higher than keuchel.. agree, they're basically the same.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I was just laughing at 312 acting like 5 points is a big difference. I’m sure this Keuchel guy will probably suck.

"This Keuchel guy" ... I mean he did win a Cy Young.

Still this is the kind of signing that will probably work whereas the Grandal contract has a very high chance of being a total disaster. This is just following the usual path of White Sox acquisitions.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I like keuchel, but he's a soft tosser like Quintana. He's decent.. I'd rather have keuchel over Quintana. Very similar tho.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I'd rather have Keuchel than Wheeler and the Sox got him at half the cost. If they weren't planning on shelling out for Cole, which they never were at $325m, then their two best options were Bumgarner followed by Keuchel. Strasburg was never going to leave the Nationals.

At the end of the day Keuchel and Gonzalez will do a lot to hold down the fort while the Sox figure out how to make Kopech, Cease and Lopez fit in (or out) of the rotation.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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312player wrote:
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312player wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Congrats on reacquiring Jose Quintana .
Keuchel he has a winning percentage that is almost 30 points higher over 20 fewer career starts.

Keep your gas lighting shit in the politics section.


Gas lighting.. :lol:

Leave the buzz words to the sjw retards. Quintana has a winning % 5 points higher when he's a cub( away from that dogshit organization that is the White Sox)

5 points higher is basically the same



I meant 5 points higher than keuchel.. agree, they're basically the same.


What happens to the percentages when you remove Keuchel's records when he was pitching on Houston teams that won 70, 55, and 51 (51!) games?

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I like keuchel, but he's a soft tosser like Quintana. He's decent.. I'd rather have keuchel over Quintana. Very similar tho.

I have to agree that Keuchel is similar. So what? He's better than Covey or Nova. The other good thing is Keuchel doesn't give a fuck about horses or his in-laws.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Congrats on reacquiring Jose Quintana .
Keuchel he has a winning percentage that is almost 30 points higher over 20 fewer career starts.

Keep your gas lighting shit in the politics section.


Gas lighting.. :lol:

Leave the buzz words to the sjw retards. Quintana has a winning % 5 points higher when he's a cub( away from that dogshit organization that is the White Sox)

5 points higher is basically the same



I meant 5 points higher than keuchel.. agree, they're basically the same.


What happens to the percentages when you remove Keuchel's records when he was pitching on Houston teams that won 70, 55, and 51 (51!) games?


Well he has been a .500 pitcher on two of the best teams in baseball the last two years.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Well he has been a .500 pitcher on two of the best teams in baseball the last two years.


He is what he is- a .542 pitcher over 202 career starts.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Not true conns. He was 12-11 in 2018, and 14-5 in 2017.

He is also 73-55 career in the AL

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Not true conns. He was 12-11 in 2018, and 14-5 in 2017.

He is also 73-55 career in the AL


Did the 2019 season not happen?

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Sox have been cheap fucks for a decade.

It's not too much to ask them to fucking open the purse strings once a decade.

They should do it by taking a couple of years of an overpriced contract along with a good pitching or shortstop prospect. Take Cespedes off the Mets' hands for Winston-Salem's #3 starter if they throw in a good enough prospect to justify the money.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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He helps fill a hole. I don't know what the problem is. It's arguable it's the White Sox' best move this off season. Is this a hangover from last offseason's shitting of the bed?


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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With the exception of a career year in 2015, Keuchel is nothing special. White Sox paying a high price for mediocrity.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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With the exception of a career year in 2015, Keuchel is nothing special. White Sox paying a high price for mediocrity.

Cost them nothing but money and it's manageable years.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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With the exception of a career year in 2015, Keuchel is nothing special. White Sox paying a high price for mediocrity.

It’s not really a high price at all.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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With the exception of a career year in 2015, Keuchel is nothing special. White Sox paying a high price for mediocrity.

It’s not really a high price at all.


It is a fair deal. He is better than most of their starters. Not a savior though.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Not having a spring training probably is helpful. I imagine that he'll be better this year.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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We're at probably 10 more wins this year. What's the complaint? We will be adding Robert and Kopech.

Hahn has done a nice job considering the Sox poor reputation and being handcuffed. They NEVER had a shot a Bumgarner and Wheeler let his wife decide where he went.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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With the exception of a career year in 2015, Keuchel is nothing special. White Sox paying a high price for mediocrity.

It’s not really a high price at all.


It is a fair deal. He is better than most of their starters. Not a savior though.


I don't blame them for paying it. Just have to wrap your head around the fact he's making about double of what Q is making and they are similar pitchers.


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We're at probably 10 more wins this year. What's the complaint? We will be adding Robert and Kopech.

Hahn has done a nice job considering the Sox poor reputation and being handcuffed. They NEVER had a shot a Bumgarner and Wheeler let his wife decide where he went.


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We're at probably 10 more wins this year. What's the complaint? We will be adding Robert and Kopech.

Hahn has done a nice job considering the Sox poor reputation and being handcuffed. They NEVER had a shot a Bumgarner and Wheeler let his wife decide where he went.


Progress is definitely being made. I was pissed at the Machado failure last year but that may have been a blessing in disguise. They haven't done 1 thing this offseason that bothers me.

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With the exception of a career year in 2015, Keuchel is nothing special. White Sox paying a high price for mediocrity.

It’s not really a high price at all.


It is a fair deal. He is better than most of their starters. Not a savior though.


I don't blame them for paying it. Just have to wrap your head around the fact he's making about double of what Q is making and they are similar pitchers.

$8 million more on a 6 year old contract. Keuchel is marginally better. He can throw a groundball when he really needs it. More crafty, in other words.


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Not true conns. He was 12-11 in 2018, and 14-5 in 2017.

He is also 73-55 career in the AL


Did the 2019 season not happen?

Does 2019 count as two seasons?

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We're at probably 10 more wins this year. What's the complaint? We will be adding Robert and Kopech.

Hahn has done a nice job considering the Sox poor reputation and being handcuffed. They NEVER had a shot a Bumgarner and Wheeler let his wife decide where he went.


Progress is definitely being made. I was pissed at the Machado failure last year but that may have been a blessing in disguise. They haven't done 1 thing this offseason that bothers me.


Yeah, I have watched at all the Sox moaning, but they have made their plays. Some swings and misses, but the cheap talk is out the window. They are trying to spend. Nice to see them land a few guys.

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With the exception of a career year in 2015, Keuchel is nothing special. White Sox paying a high price for mediocrity.

It’s not really a high price at all.


It is a fair deal. He is better than most of their starters. Not a savior though.


I don't blame them for paying it. Just have to wrap your head around the fact he's making about double of what Q is making and they are similar pitchers.

$8 million more on a 6 year old contract. Keuchel is marginally better. He can throw a groundball when he really needs it. More crafty, in other words.


You're also signing a guy who will give Timmay plenty of chances to add to his error total.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Not true conns. He was 12-11 in 2018, and 14-5 in 2017.

He is also 73-55 career in the AL


Did the 2019 season not happen?

Does 2019 count as two seasons?


He is 20-19 the last two seasons. That is a .500 pitcher. But I am sure you will argue otherwise.

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