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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I'm not a believer in Castallanos in the AL Central. He hadn't demonstrated the ability to demolish AL pitching. I'd like him back on the north side, but that isn't likely to happen.

The White Sox have done a good job this year. The only thing they have to do is invest the 2019 money difference between Wheeler and Keuchel into a #4 starter, because I don't trust Lopez. And maybe pick up a RH platoon 4th OF so that Engel is mostly a defensive replacement for Eloy.


Lopez is going to be battling for a starting job this year with Dunning, Rodon, and Kopech. It'll be interesting. There are always injuries to starters also so who knows? Another thought, One of these guys may up sliding in to the pen to be a closer?

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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You cannot really fault this off-season. They grabbed two left-handed innings eaters for the rotation and secured DH, C and RF. They did really well. You can still hate Hahn, Kenny and Jerry and admit this.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.


FF is just a closet Cub Fan wanting Hahn to sign bad deals like Heyward and Morrow.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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I'm not a believer in Castallanos in the AL Central. He hadn't demonstrated the ability to demolish AL pitching. I'd like him back on the north side, but that isn't likely to happen.

The White Sox have done a good job this year. The only thing they have to do is invest the 2019 money difference between Wheeler and Keuchel into a #4 starter, because I don't trust Lopez. And maybe pick up a RH platoon 4th OF so that Engel is mostly a defensive replacement for Eloy.


Lopez is going to be battling for a starting job this year with Dunning, Rodon, and Kopech. It'll be interesting. There are always injuries to starters also so who knows? Another thought, One of these guys may up sliding in to the pen to be a closer?


Lopez is going to have an all star season.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.

They haven’t spent $200M and that’s not even a lot to invest in one offseason if you have the lowest payroll in baseball and trying to con your fans into thinking you’re “trying to compete”

The Uncle Jerry hate is the most deserved hate in the sports world.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.


FF is just a closet Cub Fan wanting Hahn to sign bad deals like Heyward and Morrow.

If I was a Cub fan I wouldn’t give a shit that the Sox are still running their shit like a small market team. I’m thinking you and the other Jerry ALSers are the closet Cub fans. Unlike you I actually want the Sox to compete. I’ll never understand the insistence on apologizing for an incompetent ownership and front office group.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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It’s quite the trick Jerry pulled off. He’s convinced half the Subdivision that signing the best players in the world for “too much money” is worse than refusing to be competitive. Insane.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I'm not a believer in Castallanos in the AL Central. He hadn't demonstrated the ability to demolish AL pitching. I'd like him back on the north side, but that isn't likely to happen.

The White Sox have done a good job this year. The only thing they have to do is invest the 2019 money difference between Wheeler and Keuchel into a #4 starter, because I don't trust Lopez. And maybe pick up a RH platoon 4th OF so that Engel is mostly a defensive replacement for Eloy.


Lopez is going to be battling for a starting job this year with Dunning, Rodon, and Kopech. It'll be interesting. There are always injuries to starters also so who knows? Another thought, One of these guys may up sliding in to the pen to be a closer?



Not sure this is accurate unless someone goes down. They are getting the year back on Kopech. Dunning and Rodon are going to be post all star break come backs.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.

They haven’t spent $200M and that’s not even a lot to invest in one offseason if you have the lowest payroll in baseball and trying to con your fans into thinking you’re “trying to compete”

The Uncle Jerry hate is the most deserved hate in the sports world.


I'm sorry, $183M. Outside of a few teams, they've spent more than every other team in baseball.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.

They haven’t spent $200M and that’s not even a lot to invest in one offseason if you have the lowest payroll in baseball and trying to con your fans into thinking you’re “trying to compete”

The Uncle Jerry hate is the most deserved hate in the sports world.


I'm sorry, $183M. Outside of a few teams, they've spent more than every other team in baseball.

They’re good at spreading millions around to bums while saying spending that same money on a great player is too much. They are doing their normal thing.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.

They haven’t spent $200M and that’s not even a lot to invest in one offseason if you have the lowest payroll in baseball and trying to con your fans into thinking you’re “trying to compete”

The Uncle Jerry hate is the most deserved hate in the sports world.


I'm sorry, $183M. Outside of a few teams, they've spent more than every other team in baseball.

They’re good at spreading millions around to bums while saying spending that same money on a great player is too much. They are doing their normal thing.

There wasn't a great player who was available and worth that money this offseason. Don't keep bringing up old shit like a woman. It hurts progress. The Sox are making progress. Jerry wants #8 before he's called home.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Nas wrote:
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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.

They haven’t spent $200M and that’s not even a lot to invest in one offseason if you have the lowest payroll in baseball and trying to con your fans into thinking you’re “trying to compete”

The Uncle Jerry hate is the most deserved hate in the sports world.


I'm sorry, $183M. Outside of a few teams, they've spent more than every other team in baseball.

They’re good at spreading millions around to bums while saying spending that same money on a great player is too much. They are doing their normal thing.

There wasn't a great player who was available and worth that money this offseason. Don't keep bringing up old shit like a woman. It hurts progress. The Sox are making progress. Jerry wants #8 before he's called home.

If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. If you pull it all the way out that's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven't even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. If you pull it all the way out that's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven't even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound.



How often, do you take 9 inches?


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Sox sign 3 of the top free agents(that includes Abreu) and people still cry. Get over yourselves.


Abreu one of the top free agents? He wins the most overpaid of the offseason.


Go back to the other idiots on the Cub board. Abreu led all of baseball in RBIs idiot. That is a valuable player on any team.


Get out of your Sox bubble. Overspending on an aging 1st baseman is idiotic. If I were the Cubs I trade Rizzo for a bag of used jockstraps to cut payroll. Spending money on over 30s 1st basemen is stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. If you pull it all the way out that's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven't even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound.



How often, do you take 9 inches?

Only when rooting for the White Sox my friend.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Love the moves they have made and looks like more to come ….best is that they are making Ricketts and Theo look kind of ho-hum. I might be over my Brian Anderson angst :D

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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Let them get to .500 before this rebuild is declared a success. Lot of ways this can not go well this year.


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Who’s gonna pitch Walt ?

Keuchel
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Who’s gonna pitch Walt ?

Keuchel
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Let them get to .500 before this rebuild is declared a success. Lot of ways this can not go well this year.


People getting nervous. Cubs gonna suck.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Offseason
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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.


That is the yearly payroll for some teams.

Sox are still one of, I believe, six teams in baseball to have never issued a $100 million contract.

Don't crap me on the spending.

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That's a fair point, gd.

But on the other hand, I would rather the Sox spend $170 mil on the best catcher available, two solid starting pitchers, and Abreu than sign only one player for $100+ mil.

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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.

They haven’t spent $200M and that’s not even a lot to invest in one offseason if you have the lowest payroll in baseball and trying to con your fans into thinking you’re “trying to compete”

The Uncle Jerry hate is the most deserved hate in the sports world.


I'm sorry, $183M. Outside of a few teams, they've spent more than every other team in baseball.


and are still sitting at a $110m payroll, which is below league average.

The annual profits were gargantuan during the rebuild. The highest in the league as reported by Forbes. None of those profits were kept within the organization for future spending. They were distributed so ownership has coverage in being fiscally responsible each compartmentalized year.

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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.

They haven’t spent $200M and that’s not even a lot to invest in one offseason if you have the lowest payroll in baseball and trying to con your fans into thinking you’re “trying to compete”

The Uncle Jerry hate is the most deserved hate in the sports world.


I'm sorry, $183M. Outside of a few teams, they've spent more than every other team in baseball.


and are still sitting at a $110m payroll, which is below league average.

The annual profits were gargantuan during the rebuild. The highest in the league as reported by Forbes. None of those profits were kept within the organization for future spending. They were distributed so ownership has coverage in being fiscally responsible each compartmentalized year.



I don't believe this one bit. Jerry loves us, and told us the money would be spent. You are a liar!


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You cannot really fault this off-season. They grabbed two left-handed innings eaters for the rotation and secured DH, C and RF. They did really well. You can still hate Hahn, Kenny and Jerry and admit this.


I agree with your first two sentences. They filled their needs this off season with proven MLB talent.

Now, I think each of the acquisitions outside of Grandal is only average to slightly above average. However, that is light years ahead of where they have been in previous seasons. They have eliminated praying to catch a career year from a AAA player. These moves make them competitive, probably in the 85-90 win range.

This does not make them contender. No team is going to fear facing Kuechel in a Game 1 or an elimination game in the playoffs. No pitcher is going to avoid pitching to Mazara.

We are left having to pray that our in house options develop into the top end talents this team is currently lacking.

The off season was satisfactory.

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The Uncle Jerry hate is worse than wanting the Sox to spend just to prove that they can. They've spent $200M and still may not be done.


That is the yearly payroll for some teams.

Sox are still one of, I believe, six teams in baseball to have never issued a $100 million contract.

Don't crap me on the spending.


So you're arguing that the Sox should just give a guy $100M to say they did it? Who do you want them to give it to? They offered Wheeler more than that but he sits to piss. They've spent $183M to take care of the face of the franchise and needs. They also took on an extra $5M in a trade. The team is improving and on track to have long term success.

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