They didn't give up all that much for him so the trade does not trouble me. If the question was weather the contract was worth it, there might be a different discussion.

We got one year of DPOY level play for a first round draft pick. The first year alone probably justifies the trade.

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It’s all part of the cost. You can’t evaluate Mack without adding in the context of what his contract is and the loss of draft capital required to attain him.

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The trade already paid for itself when it propelled the Bears to the playoffs.

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The draft capital was a first round pick in a year which saw the Bears win a division title. The capital this year is they moved down about 20 spots, yet gained an extra pick. MANY talented players have been drafted in the second and third rounds of the NFL draft.

The money is the money. If Mack does not have another dominant season similar to last year, then the narrative changes. As for where things stand right now, the trade has been great for the Bears.

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Thank you for explaining the money is the money but the contract and draft capital is a significant cost.

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You are usually smarter than this. Even when you troll. Sad to see good posters like you and Furious repeatedly shit the bed when talking about Khalil Mack.

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You just say shit like this when you run out of actual rebuttals. It’s amusing every time.

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FF and others got shook when they saw this: http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Aaron+Rodg ... QS8kDLK30D

Ever since then they've enacted a disinformation campaign in a futile attempt to change the indisputable narrative that Mack is a killer who will continue to brutalize Rodgers every time they meet.

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Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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The Bears lost that game because Mack took the 2nd half off. Thanks for helping our point!

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What are you talking about? I said as we sit here today, the trade has been a great success for the Bear. That changes if Mack continues to have "good" seasons and doesn't dominate at least a game here and there like he did last season.

I've also rebutted that the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky pick and trade to get him has been far more detrimental to the Bears than the Mack trade could ever be.

Seems like you just can't handle ol' 52 dollar smacking your ass around in NFL threads.

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Like ltg said, you love to play your own hype man.

Anyway, the narrative that the draft capital is meaningless is my favorite spin of yours and Rick’s so I didn’t say stop.

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of course the two can and should be bifurcated

They traded to acquire talent.

They signed him to retain talent.

They are related but his trade value was in no way impacted by his contract

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Mack doesn't play offense, friend. Let me remind you why we lost that game:

https://external-preview.redd.it/Siap4T ... 85553570d2

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That last sentence of your post is so wrong it’s laughable you are even positing it.

Tell me why you think Mack held out and was subsequently traded. The rest of the world thinks it was contract related. I’d like to hear your insider scoop.

The draft capital and contract extension are all part of the overall cost to acquire Mack. They cannot be separated.

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You lost that game because you allowed a 1 legged QB to completely dominate the second half of the game because your star DE was taking half the plays off, and not figuratively like he was this year.

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Please quote where I said it was meaningless. It's not, but what draft capital the Bears "lose" with Mack isn't a killer either.

When you're as good as me, hype isn't needed.

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It's been a rough year for Frank's fandom. He's been through a lot - especially making up excuses along the way.
#WaaaahTheRefs
#TheyTravelled4000Miles

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And this has been an incredibly rough thread for fans of the Packer and the RAIDER.

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Packers are 3-1 against Mack. It’s been a nice thread for us.

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Open up another thread and what do you find? Excuses. Fantasyland.

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If the Raiders had signed him to that contract pre trade and then put him on the market, the return would have been similar. If the Bears were to put him on the market today, they would receive no less of a return than they gave.

The contract may have been the genesis of the need to trade from the Raiders perspective, it was not what impacted the return from their perspective or the Bears.

The Bears didn't win or lose the trade because of the contract. They win or lose because of what they gave to Raiders in return for the production they have received.

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Fantasyland is where you seem to reside as you assume the RAIDERS are going to knock it out of the park with every draft pick they have.

Had the Bears employed a better QB this season, it its not unreasonable at all to say they could have won at least two of these games; Packers, Oakland, San Diego, Philadelphia, and Packers.

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not only is it reasonable, it is likely

You are bringing up bad memories with all these games

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Week one GB should have been a W with a below average QB. Instead Mitch was dogshit. I'll put the Oakland loss on special teams. ( Mitch didn't play) should have won against Philly and SD too with a below average QB..but Mitch was Putrid.

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Stop living in Fantasyland!

The memories of this Bears season are fucking terrible. The Dallas game was the only one I enjoyed start to finish.

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Yeah, the NFL Draft doesn't work that way.

This is the part where Frank just starts making shit up.

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Solid advice

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The contract 100% affected the return and it can't be discarded when assessing the trade. There's an opportunity cost to handing out a record setting contract.

Oops.

Oops.

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Furious being happy about 2 1st round picks: not ok
Bears fans being happy with 2 2nd round picks and 0 1st round picks: ok

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