There is nothing to indicate Mitch led the team to wins this year. The Bears kept things close due to defense and then from time to time they were able to take advantage and win low scoring affairs for the most part. There's no one game where Mitch rescued the defense or generally put the team on his back. He's largely irrelevant.

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The Dinver game would probably be the only one where you could say they won because of plays (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky made at the end. But even then, you could argue that had he lead his team to more points early on, the Bears wouldn't have needed a last second FG to win.

The Dallas game Mitch made a bunch of plays with his feet and his arm that lead to points. Too little too late as far as the playoffs go though.

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This is something the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky apologists need to chew on for a bit. Lost in all the "he's good in clutch moments" false narrative is the fact that he's largely responsible for the Bears needing points at the end of games to squeeze out a win. This is because as a QB he's impotent.

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Who is the better guy that's available?

Let's remove (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky entirely from the equation. Let's say he retires tomorrow or dies in a fire. What do you have on offense. Allen Robinson is a really good player and clearly the Bears best player on offense. Would he be the #1 WR on any team in the division? The answer is no. Our best offensive player is about the 20th best at his position and he lacks game changing speed. You need more far more than a quarterback.

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Irrelevant is better than actively detrimental, which describes Jameis. If the two QBs switched teams this past season the Buccaneers are probably the 6 seed this year and the Bears are 6-10.

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I think you underappreciate how being bad BUT protecting the football still gives you a chance to win. Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky throwing just 22 interceptions over the past 2 years gave the Bears a chance to win games they would have lost with Turnover Winston.

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Yes, let's remove Mitch entirely.

As for who the Bears have, with a better QB that wouldn't matter. Look at some of the guys Brady and Rodgers have thrown too. Brees, Rivers, Luck, Big Ben, among others. Yes there was AB and Michael Thomas and Randy Moss, but there are also a who lot of nobodies yet those QBs and those teams managed to have success because those quarterbacks made guys around them better. Aaron Rodgers, in particular, had some putrid offensive lines during the McCarthy days yet somehow he managed to win games and take his team to the playoffs.

"If if if if" gets you nothing. You can hope for Mitch in one hand and shit in the other and see what fills up first.

Mitch isn't the guy that makes other players better. Just face it.

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i don't necessarily want either one. But if forced to choose, I'm going with Winston 11 times out of ten. He actually has a resume of some sort that's interesting. He puts the ball in the hands of the opposing team at an unreasonable rate, but on the other hand there's no doubt he can score the ball. What's so attractive to a GM about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? Players know he can't read defenses so any fairly complex defense is a deathtrap for him. He can run but he's no Lamar Jackson, so that's whatever. He can't hit deep passes and has limited vision. There's nothing out there that says "oh man I want that guy."

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There’s nothing that says “I want that guy” about Jameis either. Any asshole can launch the ball into double coverage and hope Evans or Godwin comes down with it. There’s nothing interesting or redeemable about Jameis. He’s interesting only in so far as it’s sort of fascinating that a team allowed him to fail at such a historic rate for a 16 game season. His own coach is clowning on how easy it would be to win with a different QB.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky doesn’t get thru reads well, doesn’t see the field well after the snap, and is dreadfully inaccurate on his deep passes. And I don’t see any of those three things (two of which are kind of the same) improving much at all tbh.


The Bears should be looking to find a replacement starting now. He isn’t a terrible or bad QB, I’d say average to mediocre.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

Step back and read your post. I asked you to remove (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky from the equation and you completely failed to do it. Instead you went on an emotional and incoherent rant.

You still haven't told me who you would like the quarterback to be and then you tell me that it doesn't matter who the Bears have because HoF players have won with inferior players. Rodgers has always had a #1 target who was better than Robinson. Brady may not have had the weapons of a Manning or Brees but he had the best TE in history for a chunk of his career and a great offensive line and good running back for nearly all of her career.

The Bears best player on offense wouldn't be a #1 on any team just in our division. Whitehair is the 2nd best and he would not be the best offensive lineman on any other team in the division.

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This has to be a bit. You aren't this stupid.

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Good QBs make bad teams better or at least appear better than they are. Mitch doesn't do that. Even if he is the 3rd or 4th reason why the Bears were 8-8, that's a terrible situation to be in.

Mitch is a more athletic version of Rex Grossman.

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I was being kind not to suggest that about your post. Stop being so fucking emotional. Read your post. It's a bunch of incoherent trash.

You still haven't said who you want to have at quarterback. You gloss over the Bears best player not being good enough to even be the best at their position on any other team in our division. Then you make up things about Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Luck and Rivers that's factually incorrect. Then you ramble on about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky despite me just about begging you to remove him from the equation.

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So you are saying that Brady, Brees, Ben, Luck etc did NOT make other offensive players better?

Let me ask you this, Nas. What player on the Bears does Mitch actually make better?

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Now you are trying to adjust your argument and not actually answer very simple questions. I don't want to see you getting on Seacrest about this at any point next year.

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This isn't out of the ordinary at age 25 though. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky may fail but plenty of quarterbacks went on to be quality players when it seemed questionable at 25. In these layoffs alone there are at least 3 examples in Brees, Tannehill, and Cousins.

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Tell me what I made up. Tell me what I said about them that is factually incorrect.

This is the second time you have posted bullshit words I did not say in this thread.

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layoffs?

In their third season as the full time starter;

Brees 3100 yards, 27 TD, 104 RTG (QBR not listed as this was 2004. 3100 yards in 2004 was middle of the road)
Cousins 4900 yards, 25 TD, 97 RTG, 66 QBR
Tannehill 4000 yards, 27 TD, 92 RTG, 59 QBR

Mitch's third year as a starter; 3100 yards, 17 TD, 83 RTG, 40 QBR

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Its a scary league when you first get into it and a lot of guys who have the talent to make it never do because they never find themselves comfortable enough to relax and just play. It is obvious that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky leaned on Nagy heavily that first year to get him through it, when really Nagy is not a capable leader of an NFL offense and was ultimately holding Mitch back. That was not apparent until this season when the Bears kept running the same plays over and over.

Now Mitch is finally out there in the wildnerness on his lonesome and learning how to play the game. That's a great sign for his development. He at least is making his own destiny.

Read your posts. Maybe you'll discover it. Maybe you'll even acknowledge the error.

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Tell me what I said that is factually incorrect. For the second time you have accused me of making something up. So provide your proof of what I posted that was made up and incorrect.

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Age is a much better comparison.

However I will point out his second year stats were comparable to those. He regressed this year mostly due to a slow start.

The point is you don't give up on a quarterback at age 25 who has shown the potential (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has even with inconsistency. Washington, San Diego, and Miami would be better off with those guys than what they have now.

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Brees was 25
Cousins was 28
Tannehill was 26

Washington also spent $44 million Franchising him for two years and won a grand total of 15 games.

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I don’t think Washington would be. They might have been 6-10 instead of 3-13 this year but that doesn’t matter. In the long run it was smart to move on from Cousins.

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Exactly.

I will acknowledge that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky probably won't end up as good as Drew Brees though.

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Exactly what? All three of those guys were better in year 3 than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was. It's really not even close.

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Now do them all at age 25 like my point was.

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Then what's the point of waiting? As you wait an entire defense is being wasted. Once (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky matures into someone worse than Brees then the D will be gone and you'll be stuck with a mediocre QB and no D. Capitalize on the D and make a move for the SB.

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