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Tell me what I said that is factually incorrect. For the second time you have accused me of making something up. So provide your proof of what I posted that was made up and incorrect.


You repeated the same Cutler lie that you have thrown against the wall for years. Those quarterbacks have won with guys like or worse than Robinson as their best target on offense is the next one. That's factually incorrect. The suggestion that the Bears wouldn't even have to change anything if they got a HoF quarterback is funny but I can't call it factually incorrect.

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Brees was 25
Cousins was 28
Tannehill was 26

Exactly.

I will acknowledge that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky probably won't end up as good as Drew Brees though.


Then what's the point of waiting? As you wait an entire defense is being wasted. Once (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky matures into someone worse than Brees then the D will be gone and you'll be stuck with a mediocre QB and no D. Capitalize on the D and make a move for the SB.

Drew Brees isn't available for next year.

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veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Brees was 25
Cousins was 28
Tannehill was 26

Exactly.

I will acknowledge that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky probably won't end up as good as Drew Brees though.


Then what's the point of waiting? As you wait an entire defense is being wasted. Once (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky matures into someone worse than Brees then the D will be gone and you'll be stuck with a mediocre QB and no D. Capitalize on the D and make a move for the SB.

What’s the move for the SB?

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The suggestion that the Bears wouldn't even have to change anything if they got a HoF quarterback is funny but I can't call it factually incorrect.
I never suggested anything.

What actually said- twice- was that if the Bears had a mediocre QB this season, there is a good chance they would have won two games that they ended up losing and thus would have made the playoffs at 10-6.

Maybe instead of lashing out at me suggesting I read my own posts, you should actually read them. Or don't, I don't give a shit. But don't put words into my mouth and then call me a liar because I won't accept your insane view that Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is good and its ten other players on offense that is the problem.

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According to Frank the Bears only need a HoF quarterback to fix things. I don't know why I didn't think of that.

Best player wouldn't be the best WR on any team in the division and is about 20th best in the NFL.

The 2nd best player is an offensive lineman who also wouldn't be the best offensive lineman on any other team.

Bring in Brady or Rodgers and things would be better. Of course it would be. Why not just sign Jesus since we're being unrealistic. What free or 2nd round pick would make the Bears a playoff team if nothing else changed?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
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Brees was 25
Cousins was 28
Tannehill was 26

Exactly.

I will acknowledge that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky probably won't end up as good as Drew Brees though.


Then what's the point of waiting? As you wait an entire defense is being wasted. Once (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky matures into someone worse than Brees then the D will be gone and you'll be stuck with a mediocre QB and no D. Capitalize on the D and make a move for the SB.

Drew Brees isn't available for next year.


That's not the question. You keep holding out for hope that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will mature into...something better than what he is now because statistically there might be evidence of QBs blossoming after age 25 season. I will ignore how this is basically closing your eyes to observable evidence that he is junk based on a small statistical probability that the crap you're watching has a slight chance of turning into gold. Yet even as you acknowledge he is probably not gold you still want to hold on. So, if he's not gold, then what are you holding on for?

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What’s the move then vegan? The only other option you have suggested is Jameis winston, who is worse than Mitch. What’s the move for the SB?

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What’s the move for the SB?
Tom Brady
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The suggestion that the Bears wouldn't even have to change anything if they got a HoF quarterback is funny but I can't call it factually incorrect.
I never suggested anything.

What actually said- twice- was that if the Bears had a mediocre QB this season, there is a good chance they would have won two games that they ended up losing and thus would have made the playoffs at 10-6.

Maybe instead of lashing out at me suggesting I read my own posts, you should actually read them. Or don't, I don't give a shit. But don't put words into my mouth and then call me a liar because I won't accept your insane view that Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is good and its ten other players on offense that is the problem.


As for who the Bears have, with a better QB that wouldn't matter. Look at some of the guys Brady and Rodgers have thrown too. Brees, Rivers, Luck, Big Ben, among others. Yes there was AB and Michael Thomas and Randy Moss, but there are also a who lot of nobodies yet those QBs and those teams managed to have success because those quarterbacks made guys around them better. Aaron Rodgers, in particular, had some putrid offensive lines during the McCarthy days yet somehow he managed to win games and take his team to the playoffs.


That's your post. I asked you to remove (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky from the equation but you've refused.

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Nas wrote:
According to Frank the Bears only need a HoF quarterback to fix things. I don't know why I didn't think of that.

Best player wouldn't be the best WR on any team in the division and is about 20th best in the NFL.

The 2nd best player is an offensive lineman who also wouldn't be the best offensive lineman on any other team.

Bring in Brady or Rodgers and things would be better. Of course it would be. Why not just sign Jesus since we're being unrealistic. What free or 2nd round pick would make the Bears a playoff team if nothing else changed?


What apologetic posts like this ignore is at 8-8 the Bears were actually really close to making the playoffs, despite all these issues. Why didn't they make it? As mentioned countless times, scoring 35-38 points over the course of four games all things remaining equal would have propelled the Bears into the playoffs. That's all it came down to.

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No, THIS was my post.
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Yes, let's remove Mitch entirely.

As for who the Bears have, with a better QB that wouldn't matter. Look at some of the guys Brady and Rodgers have thrown too. Brees, Rivers, Luck, Big Ben, among others. Yes there was AB and Michael Thomas and Randy Moss, but there are also a who lot of nobodies yet those QBs and those teams managed to have success because those quarterbacks made guys around them better. Aaron Rodgers, in particular, had some putrid offensive lines during the McCarthy days yet somehow he managed to win games and take his team to the playoffs.

"If if if if" gets you nothing. You can hope for Mitch in one hand and shit in the other and see what fills up first.

Mitch isn't the guy that makes other players better. Just face it.
What did I say that was factually inaccurate about Brady, Brees etc?

What offensive player on the Bears does Mitch make better, Nas?

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What’s the move then vegan? The only other option you have suggested is Jameis winston, who is worse than Mitch. What’s the move for the SB?


Quick response here to say I never said I want Winston as QB of the Bears. I said he's better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Different argument. Detailed response later.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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What’s the move for the SB?
Tom Brady
Teddy Bridgewater
Dak Prescott










David Fales :lol:

That’s the point though. Very unlikely Brady and Dak are available and Bridgewater might not be either.

Fales it is I guess.

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According to Frank the Bears only need a HoF quarterback to fix things. I don't know why I didn't think of that.

Best player wouldn't be the best WR on any team in the division and is about 20th best in the NFL.

The 2nd best player is an offensive lineman who also wouldn't be the best offensive lineman on any other team.

Bring in Brady or Rodgers and things would be better. Of course it would be. Why not just sign Jesus since we're being unrealistic. What free or 2nd round pick would make the Bears a playoff team if nothing else changed?


What apologetic posts like this ignore is at 8-8 the Bears were actually really close to making the playoffs, despite all these issues. Why didn't they make it? As mentioned countless times, scoring 35-38 points over the course of four games all things remaining equal would have propelled the Bears into the playoffs. That's all it came down to.


Will Hypothetical Bears Quarterback ever get a name?

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veganfan21 wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Brees was 25
Cousins was 28
Tannehill was 26

Exactly.

I will acknowledge that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky probably won't end up as good as Drew Brees though.


Then what's the point of waiting? As you wait an entire defense is being wasted. Once (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky matures into someone worse than Brees then the D will be gone and you'll be stuck with a mediocre QB and no D. Capitalize on the D and make a move for the SB.

Drew Brees isn't available for next year.


That's not the question. You keep holding out for hope that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky will mature into...something better than what he is now because statistically there might be evidence of QBs blossoming after age 25 season. I will ignore how this is basically closing your eyes to observable evidence that he is junk based on a small statistical probability that the crap you're watching has a slight chance of turning into gold. Yet even as you acknowledge he is probably not gold you still want to hold on. So, if he's not gold, then what are you holding on for?

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky isn't junk. His 2nd year proved he has potential. He regressed this year though.

I said he is unlikely to end up being Drew Brees. If you are waiting for a HOF qb then I think you'll likely be waiting a long time no matter what happens with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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But there is a chance they are, FF. The Cowboys will probably tag Dak, but I don't think the Saints are going to pay a lot for Teddy.


Honestly I would be fine with the Bears taking a QB with #43 or #50 and giving him the reigns from day 1.

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Nas wrote:
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According to Frank the Bears only need a HoF quarterback to fix things. I don't know why I didn't think of that.

Best player wouldn't be the best WR on any team in the division and is about 20th best in the NFL.

The 2nd best player is an offensive lineman who also wouldn't be the best offensive lineman on any other team.

Bring in Brady or Rodgers and things would be better. Of course it would be. Why not just sign Jesus since we're being unrealistic. What free or 2nd round pick would make the Bears a playoff team if nothing else changed?


What apologetic posts like this ignore is at 8-8 the Bears were actually really close to making the playoffs, despite all these issues. Why didn't they make it? As mentioned countless times, scoring 35-38 points over the course of four games all things remaining equal would have propelled the Bears into the playoffs. That's all it came down to.


Will Hypothetical Bears Quarterback ever get a name?

He hasn’t yet. That’s why I find the Mitch complaints so amusing.

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He hasn’t yet. That’s why I find the Mitch complaints so amusing.
I listed two legit options, one maybe, and one long shot.

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But there is a chance they are, FF. The Cowboys will probably tag Dak, but I don't think the Saints are going to pay a lot for Teddy.


Honestly I would be fine with the Bears taking a QB with #43 or #50 and giving him the reigns from day 1.

Dak isn’t going to be available. There’s zero chance.

Maybe 43 year old Brady is. Good luck with that.

Bridgewater is realistically the best option and he might not even be available. It’s highly unlikely a second round rookie outperforms Mitch next year so again you’re in a wait and see and develop mode.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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He hasn’t yet. That’s why I find the Mitch complaints so amusing.
I listed two legit options, one maybe, and one long shot.

You listed one. Bridgewater. It’s a fair choice but he’s also less experienced than Mitch and hasn’t proven anything at the nfl level.

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I also said to draft a guy and start back at square one. That probably isn't going to happen, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to do. Even Daniel Jones threw for more TDs and almost as many yards as Mitch did this year.

The Bears should be drafting a QB every year until they figure the position out.

Bridgewater has has started 7 fewer games than Mitch but appeared in three more. Given that he has been in the league for two more years than Mitch (5yr to 3yr), I would say the experience is very close.

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Yes, let's remove Mitch entirely.

As for who the Bears have, with a better QB that wouldn't matter. Look at some of the guys Brady and Rodgers have thrown too. Brees, Rivers, Luck, Big Ben, among others. Yes there was AB and Michael Thomas and Randy Moss, but there are also a who lot of nobodies yet those QBs and those teams managed to have success because those quarterbacks made guys around them better. Aaron Rodgers, in particular, had some putrid offensive lines during the McCarthy days yet somehow he managed to win games and take his team to the playoffs.

"If if if if" gets you nothing. You can hope for Mitch in one hand and shit in the other and see what fills up first.

Mitch isn't the guy that makes other players better. Just face it.
What did I say that was factually inaccurate about Brady, Brees etc?

What offensive player on the Bears does Mitch make better, Nas?


Seriously? I've asked you to remove (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky from the equation and like an emotional school girl you just can't help yourself. Then you go on an incoherent rant about HoF quarterbacks.

For the 12th time what's inaccurate is your belief that they won with guys who were worse than Robinson or the same as their primary target.

None of those HoF guys will be the Bears starting quarterback next season. Once again, what realistic option do you want who can overcome the limitations of the offensive talent and the coach?

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You did not answer my questions.

Because you have no answer. You know I'm right.

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I also said to draft a guy and start back at square one. That probably isn't going to happen, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to do. Even Daniel Jones threw for more TDs and almost as many yards as Mitch did this year.

The Bears should be drafting a QB every year until they figure the position out.

Daniel Jones was the 6th overall pick and you guys don’t have a top 40 pick.

Resetting by drafting a QB isn’t a terrible decision but it’s a bad year to do it and you’re still left with wasting a contending defense while a QB develops. At that point you may as well trade Mack and get 2 firsts back to help you rebuild.

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Prescott was taken at 135, Wilson was taken at 75.

It's possible to find a better QB than Mitch at 43/50.

Take a QB every year. Not saying they necessarily should with their first or second pick, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

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You did not answer my questions.

Because you have no answer. You know I'm right.


Right about what? I haven't suggested that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky made anyone better. I've tried to get you to look at the Bears roster outside of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but you can't stop focusing on him. We're meatball brothers. I am confident that if you stopped looking at (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky you would see the trash the Bears have on offense. Not even taking into account the coach.

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Prescott was taken at 135, Wilson was taken at 75.

It's possible to find a better QB than Mitch at 43/50.

It’s possible. It’s been done about 3 times in the past 20 years. I think the odds Mitch will be decent enough to win with this defense are better than that

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Then you make up things about Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Luck and Rivers that's factually incorrect.
What did I say that was false about them, Nas? What did I say that was wrong? Tell me.

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Fraternization Frank's idea of upgrading the position is to acquire HOF QBs.

Now that's easy. Why hasn't Pace thought of that i wonder?

Now there's a deep thinker for ya!

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Then you make up things about Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Luck and Rivers that's factually incorrect.
What did I say that was false about them, Nas? What did I say that was wrong? Tell me.


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