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Surprisingly or unsurprisingly?
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And of the states where the head coach of the basketball or football team is not number one its the chancellor or president of (usually) the largest university. I'd rather pay the football coach than them tbh, at least the coach works hard.


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And of the states where the head coach of the basketball or football team is not number one its the chancellor or president of (usually) the largest university. I'd rather pay the football coach than them tbh, at least the coach works hard.


Where is the "amateurism" in all of this?

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Its a moot point because quality coaches pay for themselves and more by the revenue the program brings in


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Its a moot point because quality coaches pay for themselves and more by the revenue the program brings in


Its moreso due to the players that they bring in (pay for) but i understand your point.

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And of the states where the head coach of the basketball or football team is not number one its the chancellor or president of (usually) the largest university. I'd rather pay the football coach than them tbh, at least the coach works hard.


Where is the "amateurism" in all of this?

Trust me when I say nobody playing for Nick Saban or Ed Oregeron is going hungry.


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Caller Bob wrote:
Its a moot point because quality coaches pay for themselves and more by the revenue the program brings in


Its moreso due to the players that they bring in (pay for) but i understand your point.

Coaches are more valuable than players in the college game. There's a reason way more print is devoted to the big coaching moves than the big recruits. This goes for football more than basketball but I reckon its true in both sports.


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I think Lou Fucking Henson is still top ten in Illinois.

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As a state, Alabama is dead last, or second to last in every major metric you would want to use to measure how successful a state is. How is that state not embarrassed that they probably pay the football/basketball coaches for Auburn and Alabama in excess of 20mm annually.

15% of the adults in the state are illiterate, but they have all those college football national titles to make up for it.


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Its not really the government's responsibility for people to be literate.


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Its not really the government's responsibility for people to be literate.

Let the market decide


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Pretty sick of that kind of pathetic sarcasm to weasel out of the reality that people not taking charge of their lives is not the symptom of a broader issue. People being morbidly obese or unable to read/write is 100% their fault.


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shocked to see jeff brohm is 7th highest paid coach in country

also surprised coach k isnt in top ten for basketball


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billypootons wrote:
shocked to see jeff brohm is 7th highest paid coach in country

also surprised coach k isnt in top ten for basketball


Coach K doesn't work for a state school.

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Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!

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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!

NCAA basketball can survive without 5 or 6 players a year. There really aren't any great freshman this year and CBB is fine. Wiseman quit. LaMelo is doing whatever he does. Things keep on going.

Zion was great last year. Those players are rare to be do good so early.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!

NCAA basketball can survive without 5 or 6 players a year. There really aren't any great freshman this year and CBB is fine. Wiseman quit. LaMelo is doing whatever he does. Things keep on going.

Zion was great last year. Those players are rare to be do good so early.


If the NBA goes back to allowing high schoolers to the pros there will be far more than 5 or 6 heading out.

There will be 40 to 50 kids minimum that will pull it. Again Book it!.

No way will the NCAA be able to absorb the loss.

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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!

NCAA basketball can survive without 5 or 6 players a year. There really aren't any great freshman this year and CBB is fine. Wiseman quit. LaMelo is doing whatever he does. Things keep on going.

Zion was great last year. Those players are rare to be do good so early.


If the NBA goes back to allowing high schoolers to the pros there will be far more than 5 or 6 heading out.

There will be 40 to 50 kids minimum that will pull it. Again Book it!.

No way will the NCAA be able to absorb the loss.

There will not be 40 to 50 players a year going from high school to the NBA. There aren't even 40 players a year leaving after their freshman year. There are only so many roster spots available.

Still though you have to understand college basketball doesn't require the elite NBA bound talent. The Big Ten is very popular with almost no high draft picks.

If anything, the ability for players to make money off their likeness will keep fringe NBA players in college longer rather than trying to make it in Fort Wayne with the Mud Ants.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!

NCAA basketball can survive without 5 or 6 players a year. There really aren't any great freshman this year and CBB is fine. Wiseman quit. LaMelo is doing whatever he does. Things keep on going.

Zion was great last year. Those players are rare to be do good so early.


If the NBA goes back to allowing high schoolers to the pros there will be far more than 5 or 6 heading out.

There will be 40 to 50 kids minimum that will pull it. Again Book it!.

No way will the NCAA be able to absorb the loss.

There will not be 40 to 50 players a year going from high school to the NBA. There aren't even 40 players a year leaving after their freshman year. There are only so many roster spots available.

Still though you have to understand college basketball doesn't require the elite NBA bound talent. The Big Ten is very popular with almost no high draft picks.

If anything, the ability for players to make money off their likeness will keep fringe NBA players in college longer rather than trying to make it in Fort Wayne with the Mud Ants.


The "revenue" generated by College Basketball is generated by lucrative television contracts. Those contracts are generated much more by the Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, and North Carolinas of the world than they are by the Penn States.

As far as the number that will leave i guarantee that it will be much closer to my 40 to 50 that it will be your 5 or 6.

There have been certain drafts where the first 10 or so picks were all 1 and done. It will be the same for high school kids.

There have been years where Kentucky alone has placed 6 One and Dones in the draft.

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long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!

NCAA basketball can survive without 5 or 6 players a year. There really aren't any great freshman this year and CBB is fine. Wiseman quit. LaMelo is doing whatever he does. Things keep on going.

Zion was great last year. Those players are rare to be do good so early.


If the NBA goes back to allowing high schoolers to the pros there will be far more than 5 or 6 heading out.

There will be 40 to 50 kids minimum that will pull it. Again Book it!.

No way will the NCAA be able to absorb the loss.

There will not be 40 to 50 players a year going from high school to the NBA. There aren't even 40 players a year leaving after their freshman year. There are only so many roster spots available.

Still though you have to understand college basketball doesn't require the elite NBA bound talent. The Big Ten is very popular with almost no high draft picks.

If anything, the ability for players to make money off their likeness will keep fringe NBA players in college longer rather than trying to make it in Fort Wayne with the Mud Ants.


The "revenue" generated by College Basketball is generated by lucrative television contracts. Those contracts are generated much more by the Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, and North Carolinas of the world than they are by the Penn States.

As far as the number that will leave i guarantee that it will be much closer to my 40 to 50 that it will be your 5 or 6.

There have been certain drafts where the first 10 or so picks were all 1 and done. It will be the same for high school kids.

There have been years where Kentucky alone has placed 6 One and Dones in the draft.

You are wrong on the TV contracts. Big schools with big fan bases make the money. Some of those teams have top freshman and some don't.

This year is a great example. There aren't any great freshman. The best one may not even make the tournament.

5 or 6 players that skip school would have been high impact. A lot of one and done players didn't really do much in college.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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long time guy wrote:

Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!

NCAA basketball can survive without 5 or 6 players a year. There really aren't any great freshman this year and CBB is fine. Wiseman quit. LaMelo is doing whatever he does. Things keep on going.

Zion was great last year. Those players are rare to be do good so early.


If the NBA goes back to allowing high schoolers to the pros there will be far more than 5 or 6 heading out.

There will be 40 to 50 kids minimum that will pull it. Again Book it!.

No way will the NCAA be able to absorb the loss.

There will not be 40 to 50 players a year going from high school to the NBA. There aren't even 40 players a year leaving after their freshman year. There are only so many roster spots available.

Still though you have to understand college basketball doesn't require the elite NBA bound talent. The Big Ten is very popular with almost no high draft picks.

If anything, the ability for players to make money off their likeness will keep fringe NBA players in college longer rather than trying to make it in Fort Wayne with the Mud Ants.


The "revenue" generated by College Basketball is generated by lucrative television contracts. Those contracts are generated much more by the Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, and North Carolinas of the world than they are by the Penn States.

As far as the number that will leave i guarantee that it will be much closer to my 40 to 50 that it will be your 5 or 6.

There have been certain drafts where the first 10 or so picks were all 1 and done. It will be the same for high school kids.

There have been years where Kentucky alone has placed 6 One and Dones in the draft.

You are wrong on the TV contracts. Big schools with big fan bases make the money. Some of those teams have top freshman and some don't.

This year is a great example. There aren't any great freshman. The best one may not even make the tournament.

5 or 6 players that skip school would have been high impact. A lot of one and done players didn't really do much in college.


It doesn't much matter if they "do much" or not. If the best players aren't even going to bother with it year in and and year out then all you will have are a bunch of people playing that were not good enough to go pro. The ratings will undoubtedly take a huge hit.

I guarantee that that advance sales for Memphis basketball were much higher with Wiseman and co coming in than they were 3 years ago when Memphis was pretty shitty.

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Every college fan knows that the players aren't as good as the current NBA players. That is true even if you are a Duke fan watching their team of future NBA players or if you are a Wisconsin fan with no future NBA talent. You simply don't understand why college sports are big if you think star power of players there for one year is what drives it.

Of course Memphis saw a financial benefit from the prospect of being much better with Wiseman. It is still inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. The power conferences were still making a lot more money than Memphis.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!


The players from LSU and Clemson should get together and refuse to play the championship unless each guy receives a check for $100,000. It would be interesting to see how the NCAA and ESPN would handle that.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Again which debunks the whole notion that it is about "amateur athletics". Nick Saban's current salary would make him the 4th highest paid coach in the NFL.

The players are the ones "generating the revenue" in all actuality by the way. They are the proverbial straw that stirs the drink when it comes to "amateur athletics". They and those willing to actually pay the money require in order to acquire them.

Yet the NCAA decides it necessary to crack down on Memphis for no other reason than they aren't considered NCAA royalty. I for one will be glad when the NBA allows high schoolers to go straight to the NBA once again. Once this happens NCAA basketball is essentially done. Book it!


The players from LSU and Clemson should get together and refuse to play the championship unless each guy receives a check for $100,000. It would be interesting to see how the NCAA and ESPN would handle that.

That would be but I doubt it would work. They would really have no choice but a dual forfeit. Maybe if all 4 teams did it after the field was announced there would be enough time to change something.

ESPN can't just be like "ok, here is $17 million dollars, now go play".

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Every college fan knows that the players aren't as good as the current NBA players. That is true even if you are a Duke fan watching their team of future NBA players or if you are a Wisconsin fan with no future NBA talent. You simply don't understand why college sports are big if you think star power of players there for one year is what drives it.

Of course Memphis saw a financial benefit from the prospect of being much better with Wiseman. It is still inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. The power conferences were still making a lot more money than Memphis.

Wisconsin is a good example. The team always seems to do well and people have fun at the games, that's enough.

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I feel like it's kind of misleading to label college coaches as "state employees" when there's so much murky accounting involved in college athletics departments with donor money specifically earmarked for them and all that. They are, as much as the term makes us groan, public-private partnerships. I don't think Nick Saban is making his millions at the expense of, like, DMV clerks or something.

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