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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:42 am 
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Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Yup. Name another state employee that brings in the revenue of Nick Saban unless you’re to count raising taxes.


Let’s say to round it off the Alabama athletic department took in 200MM of revenue in 2019. How much of that is incrementally attributable to Saban?


The incremental revenue of Saban over a random college football coach is massive. Almost all college revenue is coming from basketball and football. Without Saban or someone like him, AL football is an afterthought. He is probably worth $50M or more to the school per year.


This isn’t even close. If Saban is so valuable why is Alabama not even the highest revenue school in the SEC? With numbers from 2017 - 2018 Bama took in 177MM of revenue, but how can Saban be that valuable if Georgia took in 176MM? Is Kirby Smart worth just as much as Saban? Is Saban magically adding 50MM of revenue to the Georgia program? Your answers don’t square up.

Even assuming Saban is worth $50MM (hint he isn’t) are you saying that as a businessman you are fine with paying essentially a 20% commission on that revenue?

So why doesn't Bama fire Saban and keep the extra money?



Same question that I asked regarding Duke/Kentucky and one and dones. You never really answered it. Why continue to pay for one and dones when its upperclassmen (according to you) that have the most impact?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:18 pm 
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I did answer it.

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Sloppy reporting in this info-gram. For example, Penn State is NOT a public school run by the state. We are a private school that is state affiliated (we get less than 5% of our funding from the state and all of that goes to keeping in-state tuition down), so James Franklin isn't the highest paid state employee because he isn't a state employee.

On top of that, they also don't discuss the endowment system for funding coaching positions, that allows wealthy donors to basically pay for the salaries of the coaches.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:23 pm 
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I did answer it.


Not really but whatever.

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Some are very high impact. I am not saying they don't matter. Most are good players. A few are dominant.

If they weren't there like with Wiseman and Ball people wouldn't care.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Yup. Name another state employee that brings in the revenue of Nick Saban unless you’re to count raising taxes.


Let’s say to round it off the Alabama athletic department took in 200MM of revenue in 2019. How much of that is incrementally attributable to Saban?


The incremental revenue of Saban over a random college football coach is massive. Almost all college revenue is coming from basketball and football. Without Saban or someone like him, AL football is an afterthought. He is probably worth $50M or more to the school per year.
He is paid what he is because other schools would pay him that. People in the industry clearly know his value.


So colleges always accurately pay those involved with their basketball and football programs what the market dictates?

Wait for it, wait for it...


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One Post wrote:
denisdman wrote:
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Yup. Name another state employee that brings in the revenue of Nick Saban unless you’re to count raising taxes.


Let’s say to round it off the Alabama athletic department took in 200MM of revenue in 2019. How much of that is incrementally attributable to Saban?


The incremental revenue of Saban over a random college football coach is massive. Almost all college revenue is coming from basketball and football. Without Saban or someone like him, AL football is an afterthought. He is probably worth $50M or more to the school per year.


This isn’t even close. If Saban is so valuable why is Alabama not even the highest revenue school in the SEC? With numbers from 2017 - 2018 Bama took in 177MM of revenue, but how can Saban be that valuable if Georgia took in 176MM? Is Kirby Smart worth just as much as Saban? Is Saban magically adding 50MM of revenue to the Georgia program? Your answers don’t square up.

Even assuming Saban is worth $50MM (hint he isn’t) are you saying that as a businessman you are fine with paying essentially a 20% commission on that revenue?


Bama doesn't see all that revenue.. the conference gets a huge chunk. Bama is a Saban away from being Mississippi, Arkansas or South Carolina.

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One Post wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
denisdman wrote:
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denisdman wrote:
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Who should it be if not coaches? Governors? College Presidents?

They get paid what they do because college sports generate significant revenue and as of now the players have wage limits.


Yup. Name another state employee that brings in the revenue of Nick Saban unless you’re to count raising taxes.


Let’s say to round it off the Alabama athletic department took in 200MM of revenue in 2019. How much of that is incrementally attributable to Saban?


The incremental revenue of Saban over a random college football coach is massive. Almost all college revenue is coming from basketball and football. Without Saban or someone like him, AL football is an afterthought. He is probably worth $50M or more to the school per year.
He is paid what he is because other schools would pay him that. People in the industry clearly know his value.


So colleges always accurately pay those involved with their basketball and football programs what the market dictates?

Wait for it, wait for it...

Not always. Bad hiring decisions can be made.

How much would you pay Nick Saban?

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