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Yanks looking in on Schwarber



He'd rake there with that short fence in left.


that's a trade that should have happened a few years ago

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Yanks looking in on Schwarber



He'd rake there with that short fence in left.


that's a trade that should have happened a few years ago


Yes. Another example of what Theo's stubbornness has wrought.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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I know it's "early" but this bench may be the worst I can remember in 43 years following the team:

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Couple of more months. Can't wait for spring trainings first Jason Heyward interview. If Mac ever writes a book his JH interview from last spring should get a mention for low points in his career.


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Couple of more months. Can't wait for spring trainings first Jason Heyward interview. If Mac ever writes a book his JH interview from last spring should get a mention for low points in his career.

What's he supposed to do, start off with "Jason, do you still suck because you got hit in the head, or because you just suck?"

You go publicly piss off one of your largest customers' most expensive employees and come back and tell us how that goes for you.

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Who in the hell is Hernan Perez?


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Couple of more months. Can't wait for spring trainings first Jason Heyward interview. If Mac ever writes a book his JH interview from last spring should get a mention for low points in his career.

What's he supposed to do, start off with "Jason, do you still suck because you got hit in the head, or because you just suck?"

You go publicly piss off one of your largest customers' most expensive employees and come back and tell us how that goes for you.

I know. It's entertaining to hear it though.


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Who in the hell is Hernan Perez?

Former Brewers Utility man. Throwback to Paul Popovich, Davey Rosello, Steve Dillard, etc.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Who in the hell is Hernan Perez?

You're joking...

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Who in the hell is Hernan Perez?

You're joking...


Just checked his stats. Now I know why I don't remember him.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Who in the hell is Hernan Perez?

You're joking...


Nope.. who is this busta

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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When Dumpster Dave Stearns no longer wants you around it might be time to hang em up.

This offseason has been awful. The Cubs are worse than they were last year and now have zero funds to improve the team. If the big problem is being under the luxury tax can they trade Heyward along with 50 or so mil and then start piecing this thing back together or would that still count against the luxury tax?

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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When Dumpster Dave Stearns no longer wants you around it might be time to hang em up.

This offseason has been awful. The Cubs are worse than they were last year and now have zero funds to improve the team. If the big problem is being under the luxury tax can they trade Heyward along with 50 or so mil and then start piecing this thing back together or would that still count against the luxury tax?


Let's hope they're trying to move Heyward by eating money but there have been zero rumors. They are certainly looking like a very mediocre team next year unless a lot of guys have great years which is highly doubtful. And if Kimbrel doesn't bounce back strong, they're screwed.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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5 years with the Brewers...



I never heard of him either. Must be a great move.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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When Dumpster Dave Stearns no longer wants you around it might be time to hang em up.

This offseason has been awful. The Cubs are worse than they were last year and now have zero funds to improve the team. If the big problem is being under the luxury tax can they trade Heyward along with 50 or so mil and then start piecing this thing back together or would that still count against the luxury tax?



did u really believe him when he said there were gonna be big changes?

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Cubs sign Ryan Tepera, RHP

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/283 ... 00000-deal

Never heard o' this guy either. But I like him. A 5 year veteran, all with Toronto.

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Hell of an interesting, good guy away from the park. Just a horrible in-game manager, and world-class bullshitter. Totally choked in the world series.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Was listening to the Xmas morning podcast of what they self title Jews-a-polooza (Rosenblooom/Levine) an educator who writes for "beyond the boxscore" wrote a piece on MLB revenue and wealth. MLB revenue was updated to 10.7 billion. The Rickets are America's 66th wealthiest family. They had 2015 net worth of 4.5 billion (equal to the entire state budget of Delaware).


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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When Dumpster Dave Stearns no longer wants you around it might be time to hang em up.

This offseason has been awful. The Cubs are worse than they were last year and now have zero funds to improve the team. If the big problem is being under the luxury tax can they trade Heyward along with 50 or so mil and then start piecing this thing back together or would that still count against the luxury tax?


Let's hope they're trying to move Heyward by eating money but there have been zero rumors. They are certainly looking like a very mediocre team next year unless a lot of guys have great years which is highly doubtful. And if Kimbrel doesn't bounce back strong, they're screwed.


Still time for them to shake things up via trade, but most of the trade rumors have them moving one of their best players. Even if they get back 3 good prospects for Bryant or Contreras, and a few could join the majors this upcoming season, it's hard to see how a move like that helps them next season.

If they stay status quo, it's hard to see this team winning more than 85-90. That could be good enough, but that rotation is also a year older and minus Hamel. We pretty much know what we're going to get from Quintana, Hendricks and hopefully Darvish (who has to be the ace or a strong #2 with Hendrick). I would expect Lester to continue regressing and the #5 (Chatwood?) to be up/down. It's a solid rotation with 3 good starters and maybe 4 if Lester defies age, but lots of questions there for me.

Outside of the Reds, who has done much this off-season in the NL Central?


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"Theo Epstein talks probably once every couple weeks (in season). Every time he talks I feel better about what's going on. Because you know there's a plan. They understand what they're sayin' .You know they're going to react to it. And they're very, very bright. And you feel like great. The right guys in charge." Mike Mulligan


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Crazy Joe on Monday's Larry show. "We won one world series, and almost won two others(with Cubs)." I assume Joe's talking about 2015 & 2017 NL championship series they lost 4-0, 4-1. I'll miss his classic bs press conferences and interviews.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Crazy Joe on Monday's Larry show. "We won one world series, and almost won two others(with Cubs)."


Wow, that's hilariously delusional.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Now this would work but doubt they could pull it off:

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/202 ... n-arenado/

Last week, Jon Morosi reported that the Cubs “loom as a possible suitor” for Nolan Arenado, the Colorado Rockies’ superstar third baseman, extended just last year, whom the Rockies seem very interested in trading at the moment.

I had a lot of thoughts on that rumor, which I wouldn’t say was spurious, but I did regard it very suspiciously, given the Rockies’ interest in trading Arenado (and buoying that market), combined with a fluid third base market situation. It’s impossible to know just who is pushing this narrative onto Morosi, and to what end.

But now there’s a second report connecting the Cubs to Arenado, and when that happens, it makes me listen much more closely.

From Jeff Passan’s latest:

“As the Colorado Rockies search for potential trade partners, two teams in particular have intrigued them, according to sources: the Cubs and St. Louis Cardinals.

The Cubs would make sense if they move Bryant. They are not primed for some sort of a rebuild as much as a refresh or reboot — an always-difficult needle to thread, particularly if they hope to dip under the luxury-tax threshold. One source characterized the Cubs as doing due diligence, as they’ve done throughout the winter with myriad trade conversations, but the notion of trading catcher Willson Contreras and a higher-priced, underperforming player in an Arenado deal, then flipping Bryant to revitalize a mediocre farm system, squares in the short and long term.”

Combined with Morosi’s original report, as well as our pre-offseason sense that, yes, Arenado to the Cubs makes a lot of “fit” sense, I think we can now say with confidence that the Cubs have definitely looked into this. Like, legitimately.

To be sure, as Passan cautions, the Cubs explore all kinds of scenarios all the time. That they would check in on a superstar like Arenado makes perfect sense. Arenado offers a sublime glove, a higher-contact approach for a lineup that needs it, reason to believe he’d be fine away from Coors Field, and, most importantly, has already been extended long-term. It would be like “signing” Arenado to the extension you don’t believe you can get Kris Bryant to sign. That’s the theory, anyway, and the reason the Cubs would check in.

But could they actually make a trade work? A deal that makes sense for their near and long-term goals?

Well, going with what Passan mentions, consider a possible, hypothetical scenario: the Cubs deal something like Contreras (oof) and Jason Heyward to the Rockies for Arenado, which the Cubs can do because ditching the Heyward contract allows them to bring on Arenado’s contract (and they have a good young back-up in Victor Caratini), and the Rockies can do because it saves them long-term money and nets them Contreras. From there, the Cubs trade Bryant for prospects/young pitching, and then use the financial savings to re-sign Nick Castellanos to play right field.

In the end, the Cubs are left with a long-term third baseman, a higher-contact, potent lineup for the short-term, young impact pitching for the short-term, and some young talent to help in the long-term. In other words, through this series of moves, it’s conceivable that the Cubs would have not only added more long-term talent to protect against the post-2021 cliff, but also would be overall improved for 2020. Basically, the Cubs are taking on more long-term money in exchange for the nearer-term improvements and getting under the luxury tax. Absurdly neat trick if you can pull it off, and the kind of thing a big-money team should be trying to do.

… but, come on, can they really pull this off? Consider the series of events that would have to happen. First, the Cubs would have to be OK with losing Contreras when he might be on the cusp of stardom. Then, the Cubs would have to get the Rockies to agree to this kind of trade structure, which doesn’t really net them the kind of HAUL they can sell to their fanbase. Then, the Cubs would have to hope that the Rockies aren’t on Heyward’s limited no-trade list. Then, the Cubs would have to get a great return for Bryant, which includes some young, big-league ready, impact pitching. Then, the Cubs would have to re-sign Castellanos on a pretty darn reasonable deal so they could stay under the luxury tax.

That’s an extremely tall order.

And it ignores the challenges associated with Arenado’s contract: it comes with full no-trade rights, an opt-out after 2021, and $234 million still on the books. What if you have to compensate Arenado to waive his no-trade rights? What if you have to compensate him further to get him to ditch the opt-out (otherwise, you’re risking getting just two years of him … the same control you already have over Bryant)? And also, that’s just a huge contract in general.

So, look, I don’t want to be a sourpuss on this, because I do believe the Cubs have explored this stuff, and I also believe there’s a series of moves that accomplishes everything we’d hoped the Cubs could do this offseason (and also achieves their self-imposed goal of staying under the luxury tax). But any time you start working in this many HUGE names and HUGE dollars into a MULTI-step process, the likelihood of pulling it off drops precipitously at each step. And, from my perspective, trading for Arenado makes realistic sense only if it occurs in conjunction with the other moves.

This is fun, and the interest appears to be real. But I’m not getting my hopes up.


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I'm not reading all of that, but Arenado has a career .799 OPS away from Coors. Yes, his defense is good, but Kris Bryant is the better player. Why the offensive downgrade to Arenado and increase your annual and total financial responsibility?

This is dumb, and it seems like a team out there keeps creating storylines in order to drive down Bryant's value.

Cubs "need to trade" him.
Phillies "don't value" him.
Nationals "don't have a fit" for him.
Braves "prefer every other player."

It's whatever. Every baseball team has several dedicated beat reporters and then there are plenty of national writers. It all just becomes avenues of gamesmanship.

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I'm not reading all of that, but Arenado has a career .799 OPS away from Coors. Yes, his defense is good, but Kris Bryant is the better player. Why the offensive downgrade to Arenado and increase your annual and total financial responsibility?

This is dumb, and it seems like a team out there keeps creating storylines in order to drive down Bryant's value.

Cubs "need to trade" him.
Phillies "don't value" him.
Nationals "don't have a fit" for him.
Braves "prefer every other player."

It's whatever. Every baseball team has several dedicated beat reporters and then there are plenty of national writers. It all just becomes avenues of gamesmanship.


The key is getting Heyward's contract off the books. I will take Arenado over Bryant any day of the week.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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but Kris Bryant is the better player.
Not the slam dunk you think it is.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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I don't think I said "this opinion is so clear that it is now a slam dunk fact."

But Kris Bryant's OPS in "all ballparks besides Coors" is 100+ points higher than Arenado's. Arenado's third base defense simply does not make up for that, and it certainly does not justify $14M higher annual salary than KB in 2020 and something like $8M-10M higher in 2021.

Again...haven't read the article. 77 mentions Heyward.

If whatever move that is being suggested results in the Cubs having Arenado and Castellanos instead of Bryant and Heyward...I'm at least listening.

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I don't think I said "this opinion is so clear that it is now a slam dunk fact."

But Kris Bryant's OPS in "all ballparks besides Coors" is 100+ points higher than Arenado's. Arenado's third base defense simply does not make up for that, and it certainly does not justify $14M higher annual salary than KB in 2020 and something like $8M-10M higher in 2021.


Once again, the key to the deal is getting rid of Heyward's contract and retooling the team. The shittiest aspect is having to give up Contreras.


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