That is great to hear. To me, this is kind of a throwback to the way student athletes used to happen. I was one of those guys. I was not big enough or good enough to be offered a D-1 scholarship for baseball not smart enough to merit an academic scholarship to an Ivy League or similar school. But I was good enough and smart enough to get offers from smaller schools with good academics and baseball programs. And that scholarship which I accepted helped me and my family get me through college and later graduate school.

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That is fine if you can AFFORD the cost of an good college education at whatever school that you want to attend. Many kids and their families do not have that luxury. To many, the ability of playing a sport is important to the affordability of the kid receiving a college education. Sometimes, life requires compromises. This includes a college education

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I absolutely couldn't afford it. Worked a 72-hour/week summer job and college work-study job, borrowed my ass off, but it was worth it. Family farming in the '80s wasn't a particularly profitable endeavor.

The cost of the state school and the scholarship cost of the small school were the same. The state school had a much better academic program.

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I used to coach with a guy that previous coached at U of C. Their biggest problem in recruiting was how many of the kids they helped get in due to football wouldn't even show up to play in August.

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Why are you lumping together DII and DIII? There is a massive difference between the two of them.

I don't believe you about playing for a small DII school that had a winning record against Purdue. Now, it's possible they did lose to D2 schools, but the odds that you happened to play on a team that was consistently playing them and beating them more than you lost is pretty remarkably low. If you want to say what school you played for then I can check into it further and see. College baseball records are pretty poor for the 1960s though.


Most of those schools are begging kids to play there. It is basically a club sport.

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I have found the game results for all games played by Purdue in the 1960s. Unless The Hawk played for Indiana Central(which is now the University of Indianapolis) during a very specific time period he seems to be full of it.

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Purdue wins again!

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wow more stolen valor
Busted again

Shocking.

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I'd like to see some data or analysis as to what playing DIII sports accomplishes or not before wildly asserting something with no basis.

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My oldest step-daughter went to DIII school Whittenberg in Ohio to play field hockey. No delusions of anything....just what she wanted to do. After 2 years, she siaid "I'm over this whole athlete thing and quit. Finished out just being a typical college student. As was already stated....any assistance she get was based on academics and cost rounded out to being state school comparable.

Nice campus....like most other college towns, leave the campus and it's kind of a run-down shit hole.

I've always maintained that you're always better off going to a bigger State school that at least people have heard of. Can't be good for an employer to review a resume and think "where in the hell is this school"? Doesn't mean it's a bad school. Just....what's the path of least resistance.

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WE played Purdue quite a bit in what you might call pre-season games. They were just a short distance from my school. And our "games' were pretty competitive. Our official "season" with them only included one game. What was terrific fun for me is that two guys I played high school with played for Purdue for a few years. They were Hank Suerth 1B and P and Frank Ganzer SS. We'd get together after the games at some bars outside Purdue. Purdue back then didn't have a very good baseball program but was a big D1 school and our coach loved the competition.

Our conference which was then called the ICC(Indiana Collegiate Conference) did have a decent record against Purdue. When I played, the conference had Ball State, Butler, Valparaiso, Evansville and Indiana State in it which were much bigger schools. I was actually offered a scholarship to Butler but decided that I'd get a better chance to play at St. Joes. It was a pretty good little athletic conference back then with the bigger schools leaving sometime in the late 70's or so.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell 'em stories that don't go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. My experience is different. As a person, though, who has hired many many people, the size of the school doesn't really mean shit in terms of the education that they get.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Especially when you lie about it.

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So you were talking about exhibition games?

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I had a few extended family who went to SJC. I spent a lot of happy days at that place as a kid.

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I don't know how it works in other sports, but in hockey D3 is much more competitive and talented than D2. There's only a handful of D2 hockey teams left in the country. D3 is huge though, especially in New England area.

My brother played D3 hockey at Oswego State in New York. He was good enough for D1, but got screwed over by his prep school coach, who took over his senior year and spent the year hyping up the freshman he recruited rather than helping the seniors get recruited to college. So he ended up at Oswego where he played full minutes from day 1 and had a great 4 year career. After college, he went to a free agent camp and parlayed that into a 4 year pro career that ended with him turning down an invite to try out for the Wolves in favor of hanging them up and going to law school (dumb decision).

To compare D3 to club is pretty asinine, at least in hockey. Club hockey players are guys who were ok players at the Illinois high school level. No one at club level would even get a look at a D3 school.

Nowadays D3 has gotten so competitive that guys like my brother don't even get looks. Most of the good teams recruit most of their players from Canadian juniors. Oswego has become a national power and their team is almost all Canadian. When my brother went there it was 100% american kids.

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The Hawk, did you play with my neighbor, Bobby Feltz at St. Joe? He was a good pitcher at Notre Dame High school and best friends with Luzinski.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Baseball as well as hockey Shakes you can be the rare lottery winner and make it. Couple other odd sports. Look at Trtion College there.

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Hockey is a little different because it was basically ignored by the big conferences. The Big Ten didn't even have hockey until 2014 though some schools had teams but most of them were in states that bordered Canada.

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I didn't even know the Big Ten had hockey. I thought Minnesota, Michigan State, and Wisconsin played in that league with UIC and Michigan Tech and some others.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

They do. They want at least one of the Indiana/Illinois schools to do it but no one can come up with the $50 million from a rich donor to get it done.

Notre Dame is also a Big Ten hockey member.

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Yeah every few years you see an article about it.. got a bit of a push after penn state built an arena for it a few years back. I remember buying a t shirt from the club team years ago when I was a freshman..

I sure as shit didn't lie, dickhead.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

We played several Big Ten schools as well as Missouri Valley team as well as Northern Illinois and Southern Illinois. Most of these larger schools scheduled the teams in our conference as warm type games before their league season started. But with Purdue, we played scrimmages all of the time like I said.

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Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

That is true. It is asinine. My son played highly rated high school and club soccer and there were quite a few very good high school players who went to DII and DIII schools. And in baseball, it is the same. I had a kid who played for me both in high school and travel ball that went the JC route(which also BTW has quite a few really good teams in it) and then got a ride to Azusa Pacific. He ended up getting drafted by the Atlanta Braves and played both for their minor league teams as well as later for the Oakland A's.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

He wasn't at Joe's when I was there. What year was he there?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Yeah. I used to tell high school kids all of the time to play their asses off because you never know who is in the stands watching you. This includes scouts for colleges and universities. That was the way it was ages ago also when I played only now with the advent of technology kids can send game film of themselves to the colleges and universities that they might like to go and there are know large scouting organizations that act as recruiting agents for colleges and universities. Parent have to be aware, though, that some of these companies are pretty much only in it for the money they charge for their services.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip