I have some thoughts about this. I remember that conversation with HH and it's not like you came out of the blue and said some crazy stuff to her (like you sometimes do with LTG
) The conversation was proceeding in a ribald manner and HH was fine with it until she wasn't. And that's not a criticism of her. She has the right to draw the line regarding her comfort level wherever she sees fit. But I also don't think you were wrong or a bad guy.
There are differences between men and women. This guy in my club- he was probably about sixty at the time- on nights when we had a stripper(s) up there he used to bring his comare. Well, she would monopolize the stripper, get guys to pay for lap dances for her, pretend that she was getting into making out with the girl (she wasn't because she isn't a lesbian so it's just a show for the guys). Then one night guys wanted her to take her top off. She refused. I had to tell her boyfriend not to bring her anymore. It was just changing the entire dynamic of what is a men's club. She came to me and said, "I'm not a stripper. I'm just like you." And I said, "No, you're not just like me. And I'm not even like most of these guys. Watching two girls kiss each other does nothing for me. Anyway, don't come up here on club night anymore."
There is room in American life for men's spaces that do not include women and vice versa. For example, my wife and her friends do a thing they call "Detox and Retox" where they go to a spa and then out for drinks. I have no idea what they talk about, but I'm sure it would be different if men were there. They don't even bring their gays. Anyway, my point is it would be great if more women frequented CFMB but maybe Spaulding is just the exception. If so, I'm glad she is. She's never asked to be treated differently even though occasionally some guys have done so. And the truth is, what pittmike said to HH isn't as bad as what Frank takes here everyday.
I don't want to get Spaulding's thread off topic with tranny talk, but it's like when a woman says she "feels like a man". My question is, "How do you know what a man feels like?" Because the truth is, she doesn't feel like a man. She feels like what she believes a man feels like. Do all men feel the same? No. I'm not turned on by hot lesbians. Maybe there are 72 different genders.
One last story here. I have this kid who tends bar for me at the club. She just turned 21. One night shit was getting a little stupid up there and I took her aside and told her to let me know if she felt uncomfortable or anything. She said, "Thanks. I'm okay. I'm learning a lot about how old guys interact."
Ouch. But I kind of fell in love with her a little when she said that.
Women talk about tv shows/movies , the men in their life how great or bad they are, other women they don't like or the women that aren't there, products, trends, new/current places and baubles, and occasionally what's wrong and how to be strong thru it.
It's not just old guys. You learn a lot and it helps.
Luckily, for most of you, if we keep you fed and give you head that's really all you need for sustained happiness.