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I knew about the execution murder and the double homicide but didn’t know anything about all the other shootings while in Florida both while in school and in 2013.

Through two episodes, finish it up tomorrow. It’s a well done documentary so far.


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Haven't seen it, no interest in it.. what's to learn? He's a closet homo who shot his buddy in Florida and a serial killer. Zzz

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So how many people did he murder?


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So how many people did he murder?

One too few.

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So how many people did he murder?

One too few.

No shit, you’re still posting.

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Watched the first 2 episodes. Crazy stuff.

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The series finale left me hanging

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Doesn't having a mass murderer on your team take a little bit of the shine off the dynasty luster?

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Doesn't having a mass murderer on your team take a little bit of the shine off the dynasty luster?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

This is/was kind of a big deal.

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Highly entertaining. Sad how it all went down hill for him. He will go down as one of the dumbest criminals ever.

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Doesn't having a mass murderer on your team take a little bit of the shine off the dynasty luster?

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

This is/was kind of a big deal.

Hernandez' brain had the worst documented CTE of anybody his age. Stage 3(out of 4) at age 27.


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Haven't seen it, no interest in it.. what's to learn? He's a closet homo who shot his buddy in Florida and a serial killer. Zzz


How Dexter should have ended...

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It did a great job of making people guilty of pretty detestable things in some ways sympathetic. Hernandez's mom comes off really terrible. Steals the husband of a mother of two that's she's related to. Seems to abandon her son after her husband died. Hernandez's fiancee is such a tragic figure.

The gay stuff is only lightly touched on. Nothing really revealed or confirmed there.

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I don’t feel sympathetic for this guy at all.

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Douchebag wrote:
Beardown wrote:
So how many people did he murder?
One too few.
:lol: :lol:

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I don’t feel sympathetic for this guy at all.


I am sorry you lack nuance. Also, his fiancee who turned her back on her family, hid the Lloyd murder weapon, and stayed with him through multiple murder trials was someone you felt for.

Hernandez as a teenager losing his father, and then having his mother shack up in the house with the husband of a relative is a sympathetic figure. Does it justify his actions? Of course not. But if add in that with him likely being closeted and having severe brain damage it means that he had enough stressors in his life that he likely snapped.

I know that our justice system and attitudes are to dole out punishment for violent actions. The question that the documentary raised for me was that this guy was certainly violent and a self-professed thug, but how much control did he really have over his actions?

It seems like he was abused, abandoned, hiding something, and clearly damaged from football.

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Sure, if that’s the way you feel, great.

I don’t have to feel the same way as you.

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The question that the documentary raised for me was that this guy was certainly violent and a self-professed thug, but how much control did he really have over his actions?

Did someone buy him alcohol prior to the murders?

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Hiding something and clearly damaged also describes WFR, and I don't feel sorry for him either.

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It was really good doc....I could not believe how bad his mother was....talk about a HUGE bi.tch

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Mike Florio's take. Seems spot on to me.

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An archaic quirk of Massachusetts law nearly absolved Aaron Hernandez of murder because he died while the case was pending on appeal. The new Netflix documentary regarding Hernandez tries, in roundabout fashion, to do what Massachusetts ultimately didn’t.

That’s my takeaway from the meandering, three-part look at the life, the lives taken, and the death of Hernandez. While the effort to excuse his murder of Odin Lloyd and the accused drive-by shooting deaths of Safiro Furtado and Daniel de Abreu isn’t overt, the documentary sprinkles various alternative explanations and excuses for what could be the simple fact that Hernandez was an evil, entitled, and deranged sociopath who believed he could kill without consequence.

Whether it’s the unexpected death of his father (i.e., if his father had lived Hernandez’s life wouldn’t have taken a dark turn), his mother taking up with the spouse of his beloved cousin (i.e., the blatant example of betrayal screwed Hernandez up even further), his homosexuality (i.e., he was angry all the time because he wanted to hide and repress it), his drug use (i.e., the habit put him in the company of criminals), his return to the New England area for the launch of his pro career (i.e., he was too close to the people who led him down the wrong path), and/or football (i.e., CTE contributed to his murderous rages), the documentary attempts to make the viewer think that Hernandez was just one or two twists of fate from never having killed Odin Lloyd, never having gone to prison, never having taken his own life there.

The deeper unspoken message is that a similar chain of events could otherwise derail the life of any normal, All-American kid.

It’s a tough sell. But the documentary definitely tries to do it, from wedging into the narrative former NFL player Ryan O’Callaghan (who comments on the stress of concealing homosexuality) and former NFL player Chris Borland (who famously retired after only one year due to concerns over concussions). Neither had any connection whatsoever to Hernandez. O’Callaghan played for the Patriots, but he was gone from the NFL before Hernandez was even drafted. Ditto for Borland, whose one-year career happened in 2014, while Hernandez was awaiting trial for the Lloyd murder. But their stories help give credence to the vague notion that homosexuality and/or head injuries helped turn a regular guy into a murderer.

For those who knew little or nothing about the Hernandez case, the documentary easily could create confusion regarding how the story unfolded and, as to some of the material included in the series, the point of it. For those who knew the situation well, there wasn’t much that was new, other than Hernandez’s love of Harry Potter books and the aborted efforts by prosecutors in the Furtado/de Abreu case to bolster a flimsy motive by arguing that Hernandez’s short fuse came from his repressed homosexuality.

Perhaps the most compelling moment comes when the prosecution in the Lloyd case calls Patriots owner Robert Kraft to testify, and Hernandez immediately adopts the anxious demeanor of a child who got in trouble at school and was told by his mother, “Wait ’til your father gets home.” Maybe in those chillingly sad images of Hernandez repeatedly looking back to the doors to the courtroom, waiting for Kraft to enter, some of the threads of quasi-justification gain some credence. Even though Hernandez killed Lloyd, probably killed Furtado and de Abreu (the acquittal came days before Hernandez’s suicide), and shot Alexander Bradley in the face and left him to die, maybe with the right guidance and discipline Hernandez wouldn’t have embarked on a path that ended four lives, and that irreparably harmed many others.

Again, it’s a tough sell. Hernandez, by all appearances and indications, was a bad guy who knew how to flip the switch back and forth when it suited his interests to do so. While it’s impossible to find a smoking gun that would absolve him from using the literally smoking gun, the ensuing collection of speculative theories aimed at excusing his behavior is far more frustrating than informative.

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Sure, if that’s the way you feel, great.

I don’t have to feel the same way as you.


Feel anyway you want. I just believe that raised that question.

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The question that the documentary raised for me was that this guy was certainly violent and a self-professed thug, but how much control did he really have over his actions?

Did someone buy him alcohol prior to the murders?


The only true criminal in this country is Brock Turner. And go on a shooting rampage then kill yourself.

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It's basically what I said. So clearly Mike Florio is damaged.

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Mike Florio's take. Seems spot on to me.

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An archaic quirk of Massachusetts law nearly absolved Aaron Hernandez of murder because he died while the case was pending on appeal. The new Netflix documentary regarding Hernandez tries, in roundabout fashion, to do what Massachusetts ultimately didn’t.

That’s my takeaway from the meandering, three-part look at the life, the lives taken, and the death of Hernandez. While the effort to excuse his murder of Odin Lloyd and the accused drive-by shooting deaths of Safiro Furtado and Daniel de Abreu isn’t overt, the documentary sprinkles various alternative explanations and excuses for what could be the simple fact that Hernandez was an evil, entitled, and deranged sociopath who believed he could kill without consequence.

Whether it’s the unexpected death of his father (i.e., if his father had lived Hernandez’s life wouldn’t have taken a dark turn), his mother taking up with the spouse of his beloved cousin (i.e., the blatant example of betrayal screwed Hernandez up even further), his homosexuality (i.e., he was angry all the time because he wanted to hide and repress it), his drug use (i.e., the habit put him in the company of criminals), his return to the New England area for the launch of his pro career (i.e., he was too close to the people who led him down the wrong path), and/or football (i.e., CTE contributed to his murderous rages), the documentary attempts to make the viewer think that Hernandez was just one or two twists of fate from never having killed Odin Lloyd, never having gone to prison, never having taken his own life there.

The deeper unspoken message is that a similar chain of events could otherwise derail the life of any normal, All-American kid.

It’s a tough sell. But the documentary definitely tries to do it, from wedging into the narrative former NFL player Ryan O’Callaghan (who comments on the stress of concealing homosexuality) and former NFL player Chris Borland (who famously retired after only one year due to concerns over concussions). Neither had any connection whatsoever to Hernandez. O’Callaghan played for the Patriots, but he was gone from the NFL before Hernandez was even drafted. Ditto for Borland, whose one-year career happened in 2014, while Hernandez was awaiting trial for the Lloyd murder. But their stories help give credence to the vague notion that homosexuality and/or head injuries helped turn a regular guy into a murderer.

For those who knew little or nothing about the Hernandez case, the documentary easily could create confusion regarding how the story unfolded and, as to some of the material included in the series, the point of it. For those who knew the situation well, there wasn’t much that was new, other than Hernandez’s love of Harry Potter books and the aborted efforts by prosecutors in the Furtado/de Abreu case to bolster a flimsy motive by arguing that Hernandez’s short fuse came from his repressed homosexuality.

Perhaps the most compelling moment comes when the prosecution in the Lloyd case calls Patriots owner Robert Kraft to testify, and Hernandez immediately adopts the anxious demeanor of a child who got in trouble at school and was told by his mother, “Wait ’til your father gets home.” Maybe in those chillingly sad images of Hernandez repeatedly looking back to the doors to the courtroom, waiting for Kraft to enter, some of the threads of quasi-justification gain some credence. Even though Hernandez killed Lloyd, probably killed Furtado and de Abreu (the acquittal came days before Hernandez’s suicide), and shot Alexander Bradley in the face and left him to die, maybe with the right guidance and discipline Hernandez wouldn’t have embarked on a path that ended four lives, and that irreparably harmed many others.

Again, it’s a tough sell. Hernandez, by all appearances and indications, was a bad guy who knew how to flip the switch back and forth when it suited his interests to do so. While it’s impossible to find a smoking gun that would absolve him from using the literally smoking gun, the ensuing collection of speculative theories aimed at excusing his behavior is far more frustrating than informative.

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A whole lot of professional athletes have come from extremely toxic upbringings.

They didn’t turn into serial killers.

Felt bad for his daughter, and the families who had their loved ones taken.

Not that piece of shit.

Also, consider the fact that neurosurgeon prolly hadn’t seen MANY brains from dead 27 year old former NFL players when she said it’s the worst. Small sample size.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
It's basically what I said. So clearly Mike Florio is damaged.

Franky T wrote:
Mike Florio's take. Seems spot on to me.

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An archaic quirk of Massachusetts law nearly absolved Aaron Hernandez of murder because he died while the case was pending on appeal. The new Netflix documentary regarding Hernandez tries, in roundabout fashion, to do what Massachusetts ultimately didn’t.

That’s my takeaway from the meandering, three-part look at the life, the lives taken, and the death of Hernandez. While the effort to excuse his murder of Odin Lloyd and the accused drive-by shooting deaths of Safiro Furtado and Daniel de Abreu isn’t overt, the documentary sprinkles various alternative explanations and excuses for what could be the simple fact that Hernandez was an evil, entitled, and deranged sociopath who believed he could kill without consequence.

Whether it’s the unexpected death of his father (i.e., if his father had lived Hernandez’s life wouldn’t have taken a dark turn), his mother taking up with the spouse of his beloved cousin (i.e., the blatant example of betrayal screwed Hernandez up even further), his homosexuality (i.e., he was angry all the time because he wanted to hide and repress it), his drug use (i.e., the habit put him in the company of criminals), his return to the New England area for the launch of his pro career (i.e., he was too close to the people who led him down the wrong path), and/or football (i.e., CTE contributed to his murderous rages), the documentary attempts to make the viewer think that Hernandez was just one or two twists of fate from never having killed Odin Lloyd, never having gone to prison, never having taken his own life there.

The deeper unspoken message is that a similar chain of events could otherwise derail the life of any normal, All-American kid.

It’s a tough sell. But the documentary definitely tries to do it, from wedging into the narrative former NFL player Ryan O’Callaghan (who comments on the stress of concealing homosexuality) and former NFL player Chris Borland (who famously retired after only one year due to concerns over concussions). Neither had any connection whatsoever to Hernandez. O’Callaghan played for the Patriots, but he was gone from the NFL before Hernandez was even drafted. Ditto for Borland, whose one-year career happened in 2014, while Hernandez was awaiting trial for the Lloyd murder. But their stories help give credence to the vague notion that homosexuality and/or head injuries helped turn a regular guy into a murderer.

For those who knew little or nothing about the Hernandez case, the documentary easily could create confusion regarding how the story unfolded and, as to some of the material included in the series, the point of it. For those who knew the situation well, there wasn’t much that was new, other than Hernandez’s love of Harry Potter books and the aborted efforts by prosecutors in the Furtado/de Abreu case to bolster a flimsy motive by arguing that Hernandez’s short fuse came from his repressed homosexuality.

Perhaps the most compelling moment comes when the prosecution in the Lloyd case calls Patriots owner Robert Kraft to testify, and Hernandez immediately adopts the anxious demeanor of a child who got in trouble at school and was told by his mother, “Wait ’til your father gets home.” Maybe in those chillingly sad images of Hernandez repeatedly looking back to the doors to the courtroom, waiting for Kraft to enter, some of the threads of quasi-justification gain some credence. Even though Hernandez killed Lloyd, probably killed Furtado and de Abreu (the acquittal came days before Hernandez’s suicide), and shot Alexander Bradley in the face and left him to die, maybe with the right guidance and discipline Hernandez wouldn’t have embarked on a path that ended four lives, and that irreparably harmed many others.

Again, it’s a tough sell. Hernandez, by all appearances and indications, was a bad guy who knew how to flip the switch back and forth when it suited his interests to do so. While it’s impossible to find a smoking gun that would absolve him from using the literally smoking gun, the ensuing collection of speculative theories aimed at excusing his behavior is far more frustrating than informative.

Kind of the opposite of what you said, but ok. You fell for it, he didn't.

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:lol:

I said the documentary raised the question. Did a good job making him appear sympathetic, but it does not justify his actions. But whatever you say bud.

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I said the documentary raised the question. Did a good job making him appear sympathetic, but it does not justify his actions. But whatever you say bud.

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but how much control did he really have over his actions?

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