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Who is the better QB in 2020? (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky or Minshew?
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nobody's telling me where to get a top QB to replace (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

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nobody's telling me where to get a top QB to replace (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Some believe that every QB available is better.

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Nas wrote:
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nobody's telling me where to get a top QB to replace (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Some believe that every QB available is better.


even if were true, marginally better isn't going to cut it.

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nobody's telling me where to get a top QB to replace (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Because he's done so much last year to prove to you that he's the best QB for the team moving forward.

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nobody's telling me where to get a top QB to replace (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Because he's done so much last year to prove to you that he's the best QB for the team moving forward.


was that supposed to address my comment?

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nobody's telling me where to get a top QB to replace (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Some believe that every QB available is better.


even if were true, marginally better isn't going to cut it.


You need something close to a stud at the very least if you expect to win long term. They aren't on the free agent market. Your best bet is to draft and develop one.

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Hatchetman wrote:
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nobody's telling me where to get a top QB to replace (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


Because he's done so much last year to prove to you that he's the best QB for the team moving forward.


was that supposed to address my comment?


(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was less than mediocre last year. Even a mediocre QB would be an upgrade at this point, let alone a "top" one.

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mediocre is no help. you need very good to great. I'm all on board for finding one of those.

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This management would proceed in the same way at QB even if they had unlimited money to blow. Mitch is their QB. On some level, I agree with their philosophy. You spent the highest of picks on him. You have to have definitive proof he can't play before moving on.

That's the same logic that causes an investor to lose his entire life savings instead of taking a 10% hit on a deal and cutting losses.


Yep


Nope. Sunk cost in sports context deals with cutting an underperforming veteran player with a bad contract.

Player development is an entirely different consideration. Money isn't a negative issue, in fact, it is a benefit. I don't think Mitch's performance last year was definitive. It's just that the development is in conflict with a window of opportunity created by surrounding talent.

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This management would proceed in the same way at QB even if they had unlimited money to blow. Mitch is their QB. On some level, I agree with their philosophy. You spent the highest of picks on him. You have to have definitive proof he can't play before moving on.


Sunk cost fallacy.

It's actually not anywhere close to a sunk cost. Whether they cut (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky today or he is on the roster for next season he costs the exact same price. A sunk cost fallacy is spending extra money because you have already spent money. There is no decision for this year to spend even a single extra dollar on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Even if you think there is a 1% chance that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky returns back to the form of his 2nd season you must keep him. Draft a rookie or sign a potential starter but (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky must be on the team for next year.

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nobody's telling me where to get a top QB to replace (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.
Some believe that every QB available is better.
Most QB's available aren't worse than Mitch.

Teddy Two Gloves would lead the Bears at least to the NFC title game next year.

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Most QB's available aren't worse than Mitch.

Teddy Two Gloves would lead the Bears at least to the NFC title game next year.
(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is better than most free agent quarterbacks. Bridgewater is the exception but spending $25 million a year on him because of 3 good games he has played in the past 4 years may be a bigger gamble than seeing if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky can be as good as he was in his second year.

If they can't fit in Rivers, or Brady I would probably just draft a qb in the second round and let him sit behind (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky for a year.

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I have said previously I am not opposed to them drafting another QB. I would not necessarily anoint Mitch the starter though. From MANY reports, he had a terrible camp last year. If a rookie has an impressive/better camp than Mitch does, he should be the #1 heading into the season.

Regardless, the offense needs to play more than three snaps in the preseason next year. Injury risk aside, it cannot hurt to have them run plays for real against another team.

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He hasn't earned going into camp without competition. I'm not sure I would draft a quarterback in the 2nd round but I'm definitely using the 4th on a quarterback.

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I have said previously I am not opposed to them drafting another QB. I would not necessarily anoint Mitch the starter though. From MANY reports, he had a terrible camp last year. If a rookie has an impressive/better camp than Mitch does, he should be the #1 heading into the season.
It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.

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He hasn't earned going into camp without competition.
Exactly. If there is zero real competition and a guy like Daniel is the #2 heading into camp, this organization is FUBAR.

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Trade (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and a 2nd for Joe Burrow

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I have said previously I am not opposed to them drafting another QB. I would not necessarily anoint Mitch the starter though. From MANY reports, he had a terrible camp last year. If a rookie has an impressive/better camp than Mitch does, he should be the #1 heading into the season.
It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.



Murray and Minishew looked a hell of a lot better than Mitch.

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Trade (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and a 2nd for Joe Burrow


The Bengals just may do it for a little bit more. I would do it.

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It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.
I know it is rare, but if the Bears are really being honest in self scouting, and they can say, "Hey this rookie does these two things just as good as Mitch, and these two things a little better than Mitch," why would they not start him from day one?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I have said previously I am not opposed to them drafting another QB. I would not necessarily anoint Mitch the starter though. From MANY reports, he had a terrible camp last year. If a rookie has an impressive/better camp than Mitch does, he should be the #1 heading into the season.
It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.



Murray and Minishew looked a hell of a lot better than Mitch.
Murray was #1 overall though. I'm not penciling in a 6th round pick as a starter in game 1 of next year.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I have said previously I am not opposed to them drafting another QB. I would not necessarily anoint Mitch the starter though. From MANY reports, he had a terrible camp last year. If a rookie has an impressive/better camp than Mitch does, he should be the #1 heading into the season.
It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.



Murray and Minishew looked a hell of a lot better than Mitch.
Murray was #1 overall though. I'm not penciling in a 6th round pick as a starter in game 1 of next year.

Even if he has a cool mustache?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.
I know it is rare, but if the Bears are really being honest in self scouting, and they can say, "Hey this rookie does these two things just as good as Mitch, and these two things a little better than Mitch," why would they not start him from day one?

Ideally, you would give any rookie qb time to sit and get acclimated to the NFL. Some quarterbacks are so good from the beginning that it doesn't matter but I think there is value in not starting your first game as a rookie.

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312 is definitely meatball enough to have the mustache in the pro column.

Da Coatch, Coatch Q, and Minchew all have mustaches. Gotta get a guy with a mustache to win!

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have said previously I am not opposed to them drafting another QB. I would not necessarily anoint Mitch the starter though. From MANY reports, he had a terrible camp last year. If a rookie has an impressive/better camp than Mitch does, he should be the #1 heading into the season.
It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.



Murray and Minishew looked a hell of a lot better than Mitch.
Murray was #1 overall though. I'm not penciling in a 6th round pick as a starter in game 1 of next year.

Even if he has a cool mustache?
That's the kind of guy that shows up to save the season.

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312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have said previously I am not opposed to them drafting another QB. I would not necessarily anoint Mitch the starter though. From MANY reports, he had a terrible camp last year. If a rookie has an impressive/better camp than Mitch does, he should be the #1 heading into the season.
It's rare for any rookie quarterback to be ready to start and be really good. If you draft a quarterback to be the backup the likeliest scenario is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is at least the starter for the beginning of the season.

If anything, it takes some of the pressure off the rookie qb.



Murray and Minishew looked a hell of a lot better than Mitch.

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the best they can do is draft a lottery ticket late

There must be legitimate veteran competition for Mitch this year

Maybe Sam Ehlinger can eventually be a QB. I was touting Kelly Bryant. Get these guys very late or undrafted

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the best they can do is draft a lottery ticket late

There must be legitimate veteran competition for Mitch this year

Maybe Sam Ehlinger can eventually be a QB. I was touting Kelly Bryant. Get these guys very late or undrafted


Pick up that other quarterback the Bengals had. I can't remember his name but several teams were trying to acquire him a couple of years ago. I believe he's a free agent.

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the best they can do is draft a lottery ticket late

There must be legitimate veteran competition for Mitch this year

Maybe Sam Ehlinger can eventually be a QB. I was touting Kelly Bryant. Get these guys very late or undrafted

If the right guys falls to them in the second round you definitely do it. I think that is unlikely though.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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the best they can do is draft a lottery ticket late

There must be legitimate veteran competition for Mitch this year

Maybe Sam Ehlinger can eventually be a QB. I was touting Kelly Bryant. Get these guys very late or undrafted

If the right guys falls to them in the second round you definitely do it. I think that is unlikely though.

Who's the right guy?

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