You know they have communication classes available at local community colleges. I would recommend checking them out.

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We could have finished a whole class if you had just gotten to the point you wanted to get to which was that no gun control will do anything instead of pages of tangents about rednecks.

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Effective in doing what?

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I think banning all guns would do something. I don’t think we will pass any legislation that meaningfully changes anything and it sounds like you don’t either. Talk about just wanting to argue.

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I said I don't know if the legislation will be effective or not. With most legislation you only find out when it is in the real world if it is truly effective or not. The idea is to do something meaningful but plenty of legislation has failed to deliver on the goals it had.

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I believe you shifted the conversation to legislation. BRick simply stated "I've thought for a while that the generation that has spent their entire childhood doing "Rampaging gunman/gunwoman is killing your classmates" drill will have far different views on guns than previous generations."

From there you bounced to rednecks, military families, gun control being pointless, etc. etc. etc.

I didn’t bounce there. That’s where the conversation went. I simply disagreed with his assertion, pointed out why, and then two pages later he ended up agreeing with me.

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On a total separate issue

Agreeing with you would be saying that no gun regulation could work because the one in 1994, at least according to some people, didn't work.

There are a lot of examples of legislation that didn't work but future legislation for the problem did make a significant difference.

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I never said no gun regulation could work though.

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So who cares about 1994 not working then?

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Well you referenced it, not me. I just responded by saying it wasn’t substantial and had virtually no effect on violent crime.

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It was substantial. It may not have been effective. There is a difference.

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The Packers run defense against SF was substantial. It may not have been effective.

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Great so substantial gun control legislation historically doesn't work. Good enough for me let's go ahead and close this thread.

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It does work. However it’s incompatible with current interpretation of the 2nd amendment

1994 may not have been. Others have been.

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What has worked and how has the interpretation of the amendment changed since what last worked?

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If you look at European countries, Canada, Australia and Japan their gun control measures would have gun advocates pissing and moaning like none other. Their gun deaths are miniscule compared to the US. You can still obtain firearms in those countries but the measures necessary and type restriction would never fly in the US.

Waving away gun control isn't valid.

You could save many more lives outlawing cars.

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we aren’t discussing automobiles. They have zero relevance to this discussion

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Aren’t discussing outrageously oppressive foreign country’s laws that would never be okay here either. We could outlaw skateboards though.

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I didn’t wave away gun control. All I’ve said in this thread is why I think things won’t change despite these drills. This post isn’t a rebuttal to that.

Sounds like you agree with me too

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I do not agree with you. Your comment was "Great so substantial gun control legislation historically doesn't work."

Substantial gun control does work as witnessed by other advanced Western nations. However, their regulations are incompatible with the interpretation of the 2nd amendment in today's society.

He didn't say that ya dink I did.
And the cultural differences between countries and their histories are a significant factor is the success or failure of the oppressive laws.

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That wasn’t my comment, and it’s strange you would italicize it given that.

Sounds like your argument is with Rick and the semantics of substantial.

Sounds like you agree with me that no substantial gun control legislation has been passed in our lifetime and that won’t change.

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Apologies. That was Darkside. however you seemed to agree with him

Correct, I do agree.

Because I'm right. Gun violence, despite the headlines, is declining while the number of guns in public hands is increasing. It's not exactly the plague that the news tells us it is.

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