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In that case, Rae, Chatwood, Mills and Alzolay need to cover 2 rotation spots. Might as well get comfortable in 4th place.



Alzolay gotta start 30 times, find out what he's capable of.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Yeah I get that 100%.

It's not even like they are trying to improve the 26 man roster. The(o) plan now seems to be, "Well we have our core. Let's run 'em out there 150 times this year and see what happens," which hasn't really worked out all that well the last two seasons.

I think it's fine. Let the manager try and sprinkle some magic dust around for a couple months. Then re-evaluate.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Does Ross speak Spanish? I believe Maddon did, at least rudimentarily...wonder what effect that might have, if any, on trades.

Any MLB ballplayer or coach is going to pick up a lot of Spanish if they have a long career. Especially a catcher.

And my take on Maddon's Spanish, at least from what I heard in the various interviews, is that he knew a lot of phrases and even idioms but I'm not sure it was truly conversational Spanish. I don't think he was conjugating too many irregular verbs on the fly.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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You have to think projections for the Marquee Network revenue are poor so the money has been cut off.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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You have to think projections for the Marquee Network revenue are poor so the money has been cut off.


Theo pulled the same crap in Boston. Crawford was a disaster. If I was the owner I wouldnt let him spend any more of my cash.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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This isn't complicated and has nothing to do with Marquee. Theo fucked up the payroll. No owner wants to pay the luxury tax multiple years in a row and they shouldn't be blamed for that stance.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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This isn't complicated and has nothing to do with Marquee. Theo fucked up the payroll. No owner wants to pay the luxury tax multiple years in a row and they shouldn't be blamed for that stance.

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I even forgot in Boston he overpaid for Renteria, Lugo, Dice K, and gave a washed up Bobby Jenks over 10 million.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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This isn't complicated and has nothing to do with Marquee. Theo fucked up the payroll. No owner wants to pay the luxury tax multiple years in a row and they shouldn't be blamed for that stance.

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Exactly. I'm not sure why this is so hard to figure out.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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You have to think projections for the Marquee Network revenue are poor so the money has been cut off.


I wonder how that money is going to be divided. If you remember when the Tribune owned the Cubs, the corporation wasn't paying market rate to the team for broadcast rights under the management philosophy that it is all going to the same place.

I have a feeling the revenues from marquee are separate from the cubs. I've always suspected that the landholdings are as well. This would mean that the Cubs do get a fee from marquee but it isn't the Cubs who are getting the windfall (if there is one). The Ricketts are enriched but that doesn't mean the Cubs are.

I wouldn't expect our local beat cheerleaders to even think about how things might be structured let alone actually ask a tough question about it.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You have to think projections for the Marquee Network revenue are poor so the money has been cut off.


I wonder how that money is going to be divided. If you remember when the Tribune owned the Cubs, the corporation wasn't paying market rate to the team for broadcast rights under the management philosophy that it is all going to the same place.

I have a feeling the revenues from marquee are separate from the cubs. I've always suspected that the landholdings are as well. This would mean that the Cubs do get a fee from marquee but it isn't the Cubs who are getting the windfall (if there is one)


You mean there are some forks in the the many streams of revenue?

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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good dolphin wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You have to think projections for the Marquee Network revenue are poor so the money has been cut off.


I wonder how that money is going to be divided. If you remember when the Tribune owned the Cubs, the corporation wasn't paying market rate to the team for broadcast rights under the management philosophy that it is all going to the same place.

I have a feeling the revenues from marquee are separate from the cubs. I've always suspected that the landholdings are as well. This would mean that the Cubs do get a fee from marquee but it isn't the Cubs who are getting the windfall (if there is one). The Ricketts are enriched but that doesn't mean the Cubs are.

I wouldn't expect our local beat cheerleaders to even think about how things might be structured let alone actually ask a tough question about it.
100% correct.

Crane Kenny was on with Screamy and Haugh and said that, "People have been paying for 'GN for years thru their cable subscriber." On the surface, this is true. But when the same company that owns the team also owns the network that airs 130 games on TV and 162 games on radio, it's a little different than Sinclair raking in the bucks.

Just three years ago, the Cubs were World Series Champions and there was talk of a dynasty. Now look at what's going on.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Crane Kenny was on with Screamy and Haugh and said that, "People have been paying for 'GN for years thru their cable subscriber."


Fuck Crane Kenney. WGN had a variety of other news/content that people wanted. It's way different than forcing 24 hours a day of Cubs shit down people's throats.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You have to think projections for the Marquee Network revenue are poor so the money has been cut off.


I wonder how that money is going to be divided. If you remember when the Tribune owned the Cubs, the corporation wasn't paying market rate to the team for broadcast rights under the management philosophy that it is all going to the same place.

I have a feeling the revenues from marquee are separate from the cubs. I've always suspected that the landholdings are as well. This would mean that the Cubs do get a fee from marquee but it isn't the Cubs who are getting the windfall (if there is one). The Ricketts are enriched but that doesn't mean the Cubs are.

I wouldn't expect our local beat cheerleaders to even think about how things might be structured let alone actually ask a tough question about it.
100% correct.

Crane Kenny was on with Screamy and Haugh and said that, "People have been paying for 'GN for years thru their cable subscriber." On the surface, this is true. But when the same company that owns the team also owns the network that airs 130 games on TV and 162 games on radio, it's a little different than Sinclair raking in the bucks.

Just three years ago, the Cubs were World Series Champions and there was talk of a dynasty. Now look at what's going on.



That's not true though, WGN is available free, even in Canada and France they were getting the signal. Marquee is not available free.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Thank you for explaining how 1940s technology works, 312. I'm aware you can get the signal with rabbit ears. Crane's point was how many people only have over the air TV with rabbit ears hooked up? Maybe 5% of the TV viewing population at most?

I understand part of the cable bill goes to ABC7, NBC5, WGN, etc. But as gd pointed out the fees are different when the same company doing the broadcasting also owns the team. Not surprised you missed that part of it.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Didn't hear the interview, but for Kenney to compare GN to Marquee from a cost standpoint is stupid even if true.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Crane Kenney is one of those guys who station hosts did a 180 on once he became a corporate partner:

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Crane Kenney is one of those guys who station hosts did a 180 on once he became a corporate partner:

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Bulls management.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Crane Kenney is one of those guys who station hosts did a 180 on once he became a corporate partner:

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We know Jerry Reinsdorf is not on the list. I remember hosts when the score began defending that giveaway the state gave to Jerry when he threatened to move to St.Pete. Even Boers would usually kiss his ass.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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This is true once they moved to The Score.

GarPax, Vinny, and Fred were repeatedly ripped on AM1000.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You have to think projections for the Marquee Network revenue are poor so the money has been cut off.


I wonder how that money is going to be divided. If you remember when the Tribune owned the Cubs, the corporation wasn't paying market rate to the team for broadcast rights under the management philosophy that it is all going to the same place.

I have a feeling the revenues from marquee are separate from the cubs. I've always suspected that the landholdings are as well. This would mean that the Cubs do get a fee from marquee but it isn't the Cubs who are getting the windfall (if there is one). The Ricketts are enriched but that doesn't mean the Cubs are.

I wouldn't expect our local beat cheerleaders to even think about how things might be structured let alone actually ask a tough question about it.


They have spent more money (albeit poorly) than almost everyone in baseball. Until they show they JR level of cheap, we can assume they will put the money into the team.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Kirkwood wrote:
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Crane Kenney is one of those guys who station hosts did a 180 on once he became a corporate partner:

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Bulls management.


Wannie.

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They have spent more money (albeit poorly) than almost everyone in baseball. Until they show they JR level of cheap, we can assume they will put the money into the team.
The Sox have spent more money this offseason than the Cubs have the previous two offseasons combined.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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They have spent more money (albeit poorly) than almost everyone in baseball. Until they show they JR level of cheap, we can assume they will put the money into the team.
The Sox have spent more money this offseason than the Cubs have the previous two offseasons combined.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Yes, facts.. it's all about the payroll.. the Cubs will outspend cheap ass Jerry again this year

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I'm sorry JERRY didn't sign a decent to good right fielder to a $180 million deal.

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Kirkwood wrote:
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Crane Kenney is one of those guys who station hosts did a 180 on once he became a corporate partner:

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Bulls management.


Wannie.

B & B mocked Chuck Swirsky for being a devout Christian. I don't hear him mocked for his faith now that the Bulls are on the Score.

Also, B & B regularly had whole segments reading David Haughs columns mocking him. Bernstein changed his tune when Haugh joined the Score.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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There are many things that change at the Score depending on the changing of the teammates/partners. The term coined by Boers long ago was called being a windsock. For me it was never more tru or obvious than when the Cubs came on. Regardless once the station took on games it was inevitable.

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B & B mocked Chuck Swirsky for being a devout Christian. I don't hear him mocked for his faith now that the Bulls are on the Score.



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