Aikman is very much an interesting QB to me. When he was good, he was great...the stretch from 91-96 is outstanding. His last 4 years were not good. He's in because he's a guy Dallas doesn't win those SB's without. His playoff numbers were terrific.

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I mean, three SB rings over a 4 year stretch is pretty fucking good.

The zero clunker seasons makes no sense because like Eli, MANY QBs are taken early in drafts because the team sucks and are picking top 5/10.

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To me, the best criteria seems to be if you were one of the top three players at your position for three years and top ten for three others.

To me, the best criteria seems to be if you were one of the top three players at your position for three years and top ten for three others.

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You don't have to choose. It's ok to have high standards for the HOF. It doesn't need to be a binary choice of playoffs matter or they don't. Look at the entire body of work - stats when compared to guys in your era, team success, accolades, etc.

If you are a QB and you were never in your entire 15+ year career a serious MVP candidate or an All Pro, I think that's all you need as a strong foundation of an argument to keep a guy out.

By this logic, Matt Ryan gets in.

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He should.

To me, the best criteria seems to be if you were one of the top three players at your position for three years and top ten for three others.

But Rivers has been a serious MVP candidate.

Congrats on watering down the HOF.

When?

2008 and 2009.

NEW YORK -- The voting for the 2008 NFL Most Valuable Player selected by The Associated Press in balloting by a nationwide panel of the media:
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis 32.
Chad Pennington, Miami 4.
Michael Turner, Atlanta 4.
Adrian Peterson, Minnesota 3.
James Harrison, Pittsburgh 3.
Philip Rivers, San Diego 2.

NEW YORK -- The voting for the 2009 NFL Most Valuable Player selected by The Associated Press in balloting by a nationwide panel of the media:
Peyton Manning, QB, Indianapolis 39½
Drew Brees, QB, New Orleans 7½
Philip Rivers, QB, San Diego 2.
Brett Favre, QB, Minnesota 1.

Ryan has an MVP and a Super Bowl appearance.

You just let Cam Newton in

Ideally the HOF would have a finite number of spots. Say, 20 guys at every position. Want to add a new guy? Got to find one to kick out

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Ideally the HOF would have a finite number of spots. Say, 20 guys at every position. Want to add a new guy? Got to find one to kick out

Our hotel smelled like dead hooker vagina (before you ask I had gotten a detailed description from beardown)

Ideally the HOF would have a finite number of spots. Say, 20 guys at every position. Want to add a new guy? Got to find one to kick out

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Cam Newton wasn't a top three quarterback for three years. He may not have even been a top ten one for six years.

Cam Newton wasn't a top three quarterback for three years. He may not have even been a top ten one for six years.

Neither was Matt Ryan

I think the longevity thing often gets overplayed and misapplied in these discussions. If the Chiefs win the Super Bowl and Mahomes never plays another down or even just looks mediocre the rest of his career, I'm still more comfortable considering him than Eli or Rivers. I know there isn't a current Sayers equivalent at QB already in the Hall but I see that as more a matter of circumstance than anything else.

Matt Ryan is worthy of a participation ribbon.

HOF?

Players whose career was of similar quality and shape
Dan Marino*, Fran Tarkenton*, Drew Brees, Brett Favre*, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana*, Philip Rivers, Roger Staubach*, Jim Kelly*

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To me, the best criteria seems to be if you were one of the top three players at your position for three years and top ten for three others.

Neither was Matt Ryan

Does Jimbo Covert meet this standard?