Simpkins was almost certainly better at basketball than anyone you ever met.

You guys are too zero sum about this. If I'm better than you at dribbling it doesn't mean I'm better than you at basketball. You can be eclipsed by someone in one particular skill set but still maintain overall basketball superiority over him. Dickey Simpkins is better than anyone I've met, yes, but he's not a better three point shooter than some, not a better passer, etc.

I think acknowledging how much better pro athletes are is the opposite actually.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

So now does what I said make more sense?

Depends what you mean. Not trying to brag here again because I'm basically a midget but I can find anyone on the court at any time from any angle, looking and not looking. I threw an alley oop to someone your size with my back to him in the middle of a game simply because, like all difficult passes, I take snap shots of where people are and where they're going and then use my eyes or misdirection to create passing angles which I then exploit. It's all about using the defense's stance (they're not facing the basket) against them. I obviously watched a lot of good PGs play and the only ones where I threw up my hands and said there's no effing way I can do that were Kidd (on like 40 percent of his stuff) and Jason Williams.

Again I don't think it's a stretch for the average person to have as good or better skills than professionals in certain areas. You could never teach me how to penetrate against elite defenses and finish at the rim because I don't have the physical assets to do anything with that teaching. However leveraging space and angles as well as threading needles with passes is not dependent on physical characteristics.

RFDC, I don't know your game or if you ever played. I assume you did. Are you a better free throw shooter than Shaq?

Idk why there's this deification of anyone who has made the NBA. Dickey Simpkins made the NBA because he's tall and somewhat athletic. That doesn't automatically make him superior to everyone who's not in the NBA at everything in basketball. That's a bit fantastical.

What I don’t think you realize is he was better at all those things then you think. He could shoot. He was an incredible passer in person. He was an absolutely phenomenal basketball player and I played against him in his retirement when he was relaxing.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Really a question for anyone.

This exactly. I never played against a guy that was in the NBA. But a few years ago a guy moved to our area who played professionally in Europe. Dude was like 35 I think when he moved here. He was phenomenal. A group of us played in the mornings before work and he would come occasionally. I have no understanding why he did. He was so far advanced than any of us. It was like a high school senior playing with 3rd graders.

It's beside the point. Just gives us your high school numbers to back up your supposed court vision. You brought this shit up. You.

It is the point. I think many people on this board are better free throw shooters than Shaq. RFDC and FF think that's tantamount to saying they're better than Shaq at basketball.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

This is getting good.

It is the point. I think many people on this board are better free throw shooters than Shaq. RFDC and FF think that's tantamount to saying they're better than Shaq at basketball.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

It is the point. I think many people on this board are better free throw shooters than Shaq. RFDC and FF think that's tantamount to saying they're better than Shaq at basketball.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

Court vision cannot be assigned a number. It's just something that either you're better at then dickey simpkins or you're not.

He made the nba because he was Avery good player in probably the second best conference in the country in college. He made the college team because he was probably the best player in his state in high school

This uncle Rico stuff is not a good look

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

That doesn't mean that Vegan is wrong. I'm sure there are a bunch of people who never made the NBA or even college who would take all of his money in a shooting competition and who can handle the ball far better than he could. Making the NBA doesn't mean that you're elite or even average at everything. That shouldn't be too hard to understand.

I don't think you are saying you are better than Shaq or Simpkins. I just think it is a huge reach on claiming that you have better court vision than a guy who played in the NBA. I have no doubt you are wrong. And I don't think picking Shaq shooting free throws as a good comparison. That is pretty much an exception as he was so very bad at those. I don't think Simpkins court vision was on the level of Shaqs awful free throw ability

I think we're as close as we'll get here. Where I see you going wrong is here "a guy that played in the NBA". That's a bit dogmatic. Because you made the league doesn't mean you have superhuman abilities in every single facet and subfacet of the game, from dribbling, to boxing out, zone defense, weak side D, handles, accuracy, etc. The really good players are good at many of those. Some players are good or average at some and actually really bad at others. That's really my point here.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

I think we're as close as we'll get here. Where I see you going wrong is here "a guy that played in the NBA". That's a bit dogmatic. Because you made the league doesn't mean you have superhuman abilities in every single facet and subfacet of the game, from dribbling, to boxing out, zone defense, weak side D, handles, accuracy, etc. The really good players are good at many of those. Some players are good or average at some and actually really bad at others. That's really my point here.

And the ones that are really bad at it at an nba level are considerably better at it than dopes in high school.

I think your point is wrong. The players that make the NBA and play real minutes over several years are so much better at the things you mentioned than you’re giving them credit for.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

I think you'd make better ball handling decisions than Eddy Curry.

I think you'd make better ball handling decisions than Eddy Curry.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.