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I could be wrong for sure, but I just don’t know why they’d be going that fast through dense fog.
Normal cruising speed for a chopper like that is about 160-170mph ground speed. The pilot likely was disoriented due to the weather and flew directly into the hillside. At best, there was maybe 3-4 second of notice. Same thing that happened to Korean 801 in Guam in the late 90s.


The Times is reporting he requested navigation assistance from controllers and they told him he was too low for them to assist. It seems like this was their last contact before the crash. It certainly sounds like the pilot was in distress.


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One of the flight tracking sites reported it was traveling at 160 mph and descending at 4,000 feet per minute. It doesn’t seem he flew straight into the mountain, which would match reports that people thought it didn’t sound “normal” before it crashed.

Yeah where is the idea that it flew into a mountain coming from?

Everything I have read says that it was like climbing out of the fog and then starting to sputter and descend

Did you even bother to watch the video jbills posted?

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Yeh, I think I’m wrong.

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No, as a helicopter pilot I can explain this.
The aircraft was flying VFR, which means not on instruments. Helicopters are allowed to fly during daylight in the type of airspace he was operating in from John Wayne to the crash site in 1/2 mile visibility and clear of clouds. This is predicated on the pilot determining he is in fact flying in at least 1/2 mile visibility and clear of clouds. This is not easily done, because it can be difficult to tell whether your projected flight path will keep you out of the clouds and clouds are a kind of fuzzy looking beast in front of you, or hopefully above you, and it can be very difficult to assure you aren’t going to fly into a cloud or an area of reduced visibility up ahead. This is why you shouldn’t play with fire; just land, at an airport preferably or street, park, etc.
The altitude read outs you see on these radar tracks are what the transponder reports which is Pressure Altitude, the height above the 29.92” Hg standard datum plane. This is essentially above sea level under yesterday’s conditions. So, if the altitude readout says 1,400’ you could actually be on the ground if the elevation where you are is 1,400’. What would be great is an Above Ground Level (AGL) readout, which can be determined by comparing the flight path with topographical maps.
I am a pilot who flies in Los Angeles and knows SoCal very well. I know the elevations throughout most of SoCal. This pilot was flying as low as 150’ at numerous times throughout this flight. This was done to “scud run” and get through to his destination. This is unacceptable and a very dangerous practice. He had multiple chances to end the flight by landing, somewhere. He kept pushing through, into rising terrain westbound towards Calabasas. If you have bad visibility and ceilings in the San Fernando Valley you are definitely going to have a much worse time in higher terrain.
It appears he flew into the clouds/fog shortly after. After realizing he was Inadvertent-Instrument Meteorological Conditions (I-IMC, or “cant see because he’s in a cloud”) he did the right thing by focusing on instruments instead, since he has no visual reference with the ground anymore. He actually began to do the right thing by climbing and starting a 180 degree turn. However, most helicopter pilots are not good at flying on instruments since we basically never do it after receiving the rating for the ability. There is a whole conversation of reasons why that is the case but is outside the scope of this comment. So the pilot likely developed Spatial Disorientation and lost control of the helicopter, which is indicated by the rapid descent in the last seconds of the flight.
As a helicopter pilot this absolutely enrages me. How someone could flaunt company policy, standard procedures, regulations and exhibit no shred of professionalism to keep everyone onboard safe is beyond me. He could have just landed at Van Nuys and they could get a car service the rest of the way. I have done this a BUNCH of times, is a little disappointing when you can’t make it to the destination but this was some of the worst conditions we’ve seen in a long while and in the end: what are you doing risking people’s lives to please them? Just. Fucking. Land.

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Opinions are like assholes everyone has one and every asshole has an opinion about Kobe....really don't give a fuck what Woody Paige thinks.

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It’s Not “Too Soon” to Talk About the Kobe Bryant Rape Case

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Can we get Stink and Fells opinion on this?

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It’s Not “Too Soon” to Talk About the Kobe Bryant Rape Case

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That's stupid.

Everyone involved in it is stupid.

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It’s Not “Too Soon” to Talk About the Kobe Bryant Rape Case

https://slate.com/culture/2020/01/kobe- ... erage.html


That's stupid.

Everyone involved in it is stupid.


I really don't think that those types get it. Kobe had his flaws and possibly (probably) committed a horrible act. No one disputes that.

But people rooted for and loved him because he kept working toward redemption, bettering himself and trying to enjoy life with and for people over the last fifteen years. I sincerely wish that his critics could appreciate that.

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The chick was lying. She wanted the dick but when he wouldn't see her again her narrative changed. Anyone with a brain knows that.


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The chick was lying. She wanted the dick but when he wouldn't see her again her narrative changed. Anyone with a brain knows that.


He spent a long time apologizing and trying to prove his love to his wife. After issuing a public apology in the settlement. By most accounts he didn't like talking about it, but understood that that was always going to be a part of his legacy and faced it head on . He understood that public perception was reality.

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I teared up a little

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I teared up a little


I thought that the game is cancelled.

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I teared up a little


I thought that the game is cancelled.


Wasted tears?!

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Apparently they are having problems with the paparazzi accessing the crash site and stealing stuff from it.

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It’s Not “Too Soon” to Talk About the Kobe Bryant Rape Case

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Fuck that sow Lindsay Gibbs .

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Apparently they are having problems with the paparazzi accessing the crash site and stealing stuff from it.


Bodies?

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Apparently they are having problems with the paparazzi accessing the crash site and stealing stuff from it.


Bodies?


Pieces of the copter probably. Guessing they had people and dogs out there searching for bodies and parts and have recovered all of them.

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The chick was lying. She wanted the dick but when he wouldn't see her again her narrative changed. Anyone with a brain knows that.


He spent a long time apologizing and trying to prove his love to his wife. After issuing a public apology in the settlement. By most accounts he didn't like talking about it, but understood that that was always going to be a part of his legacy and faced it head on . He understood that public perception was reality.

Pablo Torre did a good job with it on High Noon. Half a sentence: the situation in Colorado made him more complicated, and (then on to another point)

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amazing

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amazing


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amazing

That was ridiculously cool.

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It’s Not “Too Soon” to Talk About the Kobe Bryant Rape Case

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Terrible article.

"He never really properly grappled with it"

"The law didn’t protect her, the legal system didn’t protect her, and the media certainly didn’t protect her."

Give me a break. Their idea of grappling with it was for him to confess to something he said didn't happen. These people somehow expect the legal system to protect someone who refuses to cooperate or testify. The whole "Believe Women" mantra is bullshit...it should be "Believe the person who presents the most believable/convincing story." I get that a he-said/she-said situation is often difficult to get to the bottom of, and it's tough for a victim to go through the process, but when accusers aren't willing to give the accused due process, they don't get any benefit of the doubt. The system simply can't work any other way.

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Advanced case of TDS. Turn basketball players death into a political attack.


Missed this.

Whoever wrote Trump's regrets essentially plagiarized the Obama's earlier condolences tweet.

Have an original thought.

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It’s Not “Too Soon” to Talk About the Kobe Bryant Rape Case

https://slate.com/culture/2020/01/kobe- ... erage.html


Terrible article.

"He never really properly grappled with it"

"The law didn’t protect her, the legal system didn’t protect her, and the media certainly didn’t protect her."

Give me a break. Their idea of grappling with it was for him to confess to something he said didn't happen. These people somehow expect the legal system to protect someone who refuses to cooperate or testify. The whole "Believe Women" mantra is bullshit...it should be "Believe the person who presents the most believable/convincing story." I get that a he-said/she-said situation is often difficult to get to the bottom of, and it's tough for a victim to go through the process, but when accusers aren't willing to give the accused due process, they don't get any benefit of the doubt. The system simply can't work any other way.


This isn't about the accuser. It's about a bunch of judgemental douchebags.

The accuser got what she wanted...a public apology and some sort of payday up to $2.5million.

I haven't heard boo about her having anything to say.

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It’s Not “Too Soon” to Talk About the Kobe Bryant Rape Case

https://slate.com/culture/2020/01/kobe- ... erage.html


Terrible article.

"He never really properly grappled with it"

"The law didn’t protect her, the legal system didn’t protect her, and the media certainly didn’t protect her."

Give me a break. Their idea of grappling with it was for him to confess to something he said didn't happen. These people somehow expect the legal system to protect someone who refuses to cooperate or testify. The whole "Believe Women" mantra is bullshit...it should be "Believe the person who presents the most believable/convincing story." I get that a he-said/she-said situation is often difficult to get to the bottom of, and it's tough for a victim to go through the process, but when accusers aren't willing to give the accused due process, they don't get any benefit of the doubt. The system simply can't work any other way.


This isn't about the accuser. It's about a bunch of judgemental douchebags.

The accuser got what she wanted...a public apology and some sort of payday up to $2.5million.

I haven't heard boo about her having anything to say.

To be fair she can't say anything because of the NDA, but I'm not sure if that's applicable still now that he's dead. I'm assuming it would still be.

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This isn't about the accuser. It's about a bunch of judgemental douchebags.

The accuser got what she wanted...a public apology and some sort of payday up to $2.5million.

I haven't heard boo about her having anything to say.
But July told me that the victim was still struggling and Kobe didn't do what he should have to help her!


If she got a 7 figure settlement, she could have easily paid for any number of therapy sessions with actual professionals to help her our.

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Man...t.v. sure looked like shit in the 80s and early 90s.

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