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Outside of the NBA community, I haven't seen a lot of Kobe stuff since Tuesday. We spend a SIGNIFICANT portion our lives debating the careers and lives of complete strangers, but mourning them is too much? What is acceptable mourning?

I feel bad for his family as well as the families of the others, but I don't have the slightest urge to make sure as many people as possible in the world know that I feel bad because I'm not mentally ill nor so fragile that I care whether someone thinks I've done enough to mourn. Christ, we lampoon forced days of mourning in North Korea but this sideshow of who can publicly emote the most somehow makes perfect sense?

The relatively few who really feel bad for good reason is one thing.

In most cases though, it's not actually mourning, it's acting hyperbolically overwrought and then being an attention whore about it.



THere is no way to actually know that. Just like there is no way to know which people were affected by it or not. There is no way to actually know which people had real relationships with Kobe Bryant or not. Seemingly its more than anyone ever knew.

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Outside of the NBA community, I haven't seen a lot of Kobe stuff since Tuesday. We spend a SIGNIFICANT portion our lives debating the careers and lives of complete strangers, but mourning them is too much? What is acceptable mourning?


I'll wait for Alicia Keyes to tell me when its ok to love again.

Mourn if you want to mourn for as long as you want if that is what you need.


As is the case with any celebrity/public figure of note the grieving and mourning of the general public will be extremely intense up until the actual service. Once they have the actual service the interest will taper off tremendously. Telling someone however, how to feel or whether they should feel anything is rarely if ever a good play when it comes to death.

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There was also fog and low ceiling in the JFK jr crash as well.

This chopper evidently did not have a GPWS (ground proximity warning system), which automatically instructs pilots to climb as they get too close to terrain.

So that's how Rauner killed Kobe. He yanked out the GPWS. and left the wires hanging out


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There was also fog and low ceiling in the JFK jr crash as well.

This chopper evidently did not have a GPWS (ground proximity warning system), which automatically instructs pilots to climb as they get too close to terrain.

So that's how Rauner killed Kobe. He yanked out the GPWS. and left the wires hanging out


:lol: :lol: Fucking Rauner! I read something that said the GPWS may not have mattered and there is no way to tell if it would have. Supposedly it creates a lot of distractions.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Outside of the NBA community, I haven't seen a lot of Kobe stuff since Tuesday. We spend a SIGNIFICANT portion our lives debating the careers and lives of complete strangers, but mourning them is too much? What is acceptable mourning?


I'll wait for Alicia Keyes to tell me when its ok to love again.

Mourn if you want to mourn for as long as you want if that is what you need.


As is the case with any celebrity/public figure of note the grieving and mourning of the general public will be extremely intense up until the actual service. Once they have the actual service the interest will taper off tremendously. Telling someone however, how to feel or whether they should feel anything is rarely if ever a good play when it comes to death.


WTF man, you need to think of julie's feelings and how she feels. there's a lot of providers in pain


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Don Tiny wrote:
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Outside of the NBA community, I haven't seen a lot of Kobe stuff since Tuesday. We spend a SIGNIFICANT portion our lives debating the careers and lives of complete strangers, but mourning them is too much? What is acceptable mourning?

I feel bad for his family as well as the families of the others, but I don't have the slightest urge to make sure as many people as possible in the world know that I feel bad because I'm not mentally ill nor so fragile that I care whether someone thinks I've done enough to mourn. Christ, we lampoon forced days of mourning in North Korea but this sideshow of who can publicly emote the most somehow makes perfect sense?

The relatively few who really feel bad for good reason is one thing.

In most cases though, it's not actually mourning, it's acting hyperbolically overwrought and then being an attention whore about it.

I’m with DT on this. I felt sad when I heard about it and then watched the coverage - particularly shots with Kobe and his daughter. That said, Twitter cheapens it for me. It’s essentially a mass “thoughts and prayers”, look at me I care. 30 seconds later...Man I love the cheese biscuits at Red Lobster.

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Or, "Look at me, I care about Kobe's victims!"

30 seconds later, "oooh cute new sweater time for a selfie!"

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Even the 49ers are going to honor Kobe during the game by passing the ball as little as possible.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My suggestion is that you get back to posting more.

This also. DT’s the best.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Outside of the NBA community, I haven't seen a lot of Kobe stuff since Tuesday. We spend a SIGNIFICANT portion our lives debating the careers and lives of complete strangers, but mourning them is too much? What is acceptable mourning?

I feel bad for his family as well as the families of the others, but I don't have the slightest urge to make sure as many people as possible in the world know that I feel bad because I'm not mentally ill nor so fragile that I care whether someone thinks I've done enough to mourn. Christ, we lampoon forced days of mourning in North Korea but this sideshow of who can publicly emote the most somehow makes perfect sense?

The relatively few who really feel bad for good reason is one thing.

In most cases though, it's not actually mourning, it's acting hyperbolically overwrought and then being an attention whore about it.

I’m with DT on this. I felt sad when I heard about it and then watched the coverage - particularly shots with Kobe and his daughter. That said, Twitter cheapens it for me. It’s essentially a mass “thoughts and prayers”, look at me I care. 30 seconds later...Man I love the cheese biscuits at Red Lobster.

I wasn't a Kobe fan but I certainly was unfair in my thoughts about him at times.

I do think he was a unique scenario where he was young and seemingly had the type of life that everyone would dream of, died with his daughter, and with absolutely no warning.

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After the shock of the first 24 hours, I've primarily only seen men/parents try to put themselves in his shoes and post pictures of their daughter(s). My Trumpet brother has been texting me weird conspiracy videos and an insane woman that I briefly dated has been relentlessly attacking Kobe's wife. I'm not on Twitter but there's nothing extreme about that.

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After the shock of the first 24 hours, I've primarily only seen men/parents try to put themselves in his shoes and post pictures of their daughter(s). My Trumpet brother has been texting me weird conspiracy videos and an insane woman that I briefly dated has been relentlessly attacking Kobe's wife. I'm not on Twitter but there's nothing extreme about that.

Wait. At the risk of side-tracking this: You have a Trumpet brother?

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After the shock of the first 24 hours, I've primarily only seen men/parents try to put themselves in his shoes and post pictures of their daughter(s). My Trumpet brother has been texting me weird conspiracy videos and an insane woman that I briefly dated has been relentlessly attacking Kobe's wife. I'm not on Twitter but there's nothing extreme about that.

Wait. At the risk of side-tracking this: You have a Trumpet brother?


Yeah, I think we need to know more about this.

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Or, "Look at me, I care about Kobe's victims!"

30 seconds later, "oooh cute new sweater time for a selfie!"


Despite Julie's claim that the woman is "struggling," the accuser is probably fine with his passing. She gets the last laugh (being alive and all), and doesn't have to concern herself with what he thinks/does/says (if she even did to begin with). She can control the narrative going forward, within the bounds of their agreement of course.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Or, "Look at me, I care about Kobe's victims!"

30 seconds later, "oooh cute new sweater time for a selfie!"


Despite Julie's claim that the woman is "struggling," the accuser is probably fine with his passing. She gets the last laugh (being alive and all), and doesn't have to concern herself with what he thinks/does/says (if she even did to begin with). She can control the narrative going forward, within the bounds of their agreement of course.

Have you seen her rap free style about Kobe?

Edit: nvm the internet got me... Again.

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After the shock of the first 24 hours, I've primarily only seen men/parents try to put themselves in his shoes and post pictures of their daughter(s). My Trumpet brother has been texting me weird conspiracy videos and an insane woman that I briefly dated has been relentlessly attacking Kobe's wife. I'm not on Twitter but there's nothing extreme about that.

Wait. At the risk of side-tracking this: You have a Trumpet brother?


I do. I love him but want to kill him whenever he makes dumb statements. My brother in law is an older cop and he's also one. Both came to my house a couple of weeks ago and death didn't really seem like a bad option but I chose whiskey.

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Or, "Look at me, I care about Kobe's victims!"

30 seconds later, "oooh cute new sweater time for a selfie!"


Despite Julie's claim that the woman is "struggling," the accuser is probably fine with his passing. She gets the last laugh (being alive and all), and doesn't have to concern herself with what he thinks/does/says (if she even did to begin with). She can control the narrative going forward, within the bounds of their agreement of course.

Have you seen her rap free style about Kobe?

Edit: nvm the internet got me... Again.


I did see that, but didn't know a) if it was her, and b) what to make of it.

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He’s into Trannies?

I'll have to find the audio clip B & B played a few years ago...hilarious.


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After the shock of the first 24 hours, I've primarily only seen men/parents try to put themselves in his shoes and post pictures of their daughter(s). My Trumpet brother has been texting me weird conspiracy videos and an insane woman that I briefly dated has been relentlessly attacking Kobe's wife. I'm not on Twitter but there's nothing extreme about that.

Wait. At the risk of side-tracking this: You have a Trumpet brother?


Yeah, I think we need to know more about this.


Nas wanted to protect his identity. Let's just say he's white, bald and Happy Birthday!

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Jbi11s wrote:
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Or, "Look at me, I care about Kobe's victims!"

30 seconds later, "oooh cute new sweater time for a selfie!"


Despite Julie's claim that the woman is "struggling," the accuser is probably fine with his passing. She gets the last laugh (being alive and all), and doesn't have to concern herself with what he thinks/does/says (if she even did to begin with). She can control the narrative going forward, within the bounds of their agreement of course.

Have you seen her rap free style about Kobe?

Edit: nvm the internet got me... Again.


They cropped that original video because it would have shown that it was a joke. The guy wrapping along with her is a comedian

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Outside of the NBA community, I haven't seen a lot of Kobe stuff since Tuesday. We spend a SIGNIFICANT portion our lives debating the careers and lives of complete strangers, but mourning them is too much? What is acceptable mourning?

I feel bad for his family as well as the families of the others, but I don't have the slightest urge to make sure as many people as possible in the world know that I feel bad because I'm not mentally ill nor so fragile that I care whether someone thinks I've done enough to mourn. Christ, we lampoon forced days of mourning in North Korea but this sideshow of who can publicly emote the most somehow makes perfect sense?

The relatively few who really feel bad for good reason is one thing.

In most cases though, it's not actually mourning, it's acting hyperbolically overwrought and then being an attention whore about it.


How do you know for certain most people are being attention whores? This sounds like you and a few others have decided to label people because you all weren't impacted by his death in a similar way. I find that take odd by anyone who has posted on this board for years. WE have literally spent years of our lives posting about the careers and lives of players, management, radio hosts and politicians. We don't know 99% of these people and we don't get paid to discuss them. We're the last people who should question the mental fitness of anyone because they've spent a few days mourning an athlete and his child.

I can ask the same pointless question to you - how do you know for certain they aren't?

I missed where Instagram and Twitter and whatever the hell else is out there suddenly became, by and large, a bastion of real thoughts and emotion (a) of consequence and (b) of pure heart and intention.

And the 'most people' stretches far, far, far outside the confines of our private little universe here where we have indeed spoken about MANY people MANY times, so I have no idea why you would even tacitly present this board as anything to use as a measuring stick.

I can't read people's minds ... I just know BS when I smell it. For every Nas out there, it sure seems like there are 100 Ice Girls, maybe more.

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Even the 49ers are going to honor Kobe during the game by passing the ball as little as possible.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

My suggestion is that you get back to posting more.

This also. DT’s the best.


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My latest impression is for all of Kobe's glory the coverage and agony is a bit over hyped. This was true of Princess Di and certainly JKF Jr. I am not sure why even if it is for a short period there seems to be a desire for collective mourning. We see a lot more of it now I suppose due to modern media/internet access.


I can understand mourning a president. An attack on a president is an attack on the country.

I think this mindset of creating a public memorial started with princess di.



It JFK. It JFK Jr. JFK was totally understandable for the reason you mentioned. That has an impact on the world.


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From that Instagram post to this, LeBron is too emotionally invested. Someone in his circle has to tell him to take a step back


https://www.yahoo.com/news/lebron-james ... 13789.html

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From that Instagram post to this, LeBron is too emotionally invested. Someone in his circle has to tell him to take a step back


https://www.yahoo.com/news/lebron-james ... 13789.html

I honestly did not like Lebron’s initial IG post. There are too many “I’s” and “me’s”.

It’s like the guy doesn’t have a single person to check his ego. Yes, I realize some celebrities become too famous, and lose touch with reality. I hope Bron doesn’t end up like that.

Oh well. Everyone grieves differently.

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Good dolphin, DT and others have made good points about the public displays of grief, many of which seem exaggerated and more of the same tired celebrity worship. I don't think they're mocking a guy like Nas' feelings, someone who grew up with an attachment to Kobe and followed his career closely.

I agree that things may have been different had Kobe had the same success in OKC instead of LA. At the same time Durant and Westbrook are quite popular nationally despite playing most of their careers in OKC, so maybe it wouldn't have been too much different. These guys are not only popular because of the city in which they play, but because of shoe deals, commercials, marketing campaigns, and the general popularity of the NBA and its compatibility with social media viral video sharing and whatnot. Much easier for a 360 dunk to go viral than it is a long bomb from Mahomes to Hill. So media opportunities and the internet enable players to transcend the limited commerical opportunities of a smaller city.

That being said, I guess the past few days of attention on the Kobe crash do indeed say something about Kobe but maybe more about our culture. This is the new way people mourn high profile celebrities and it's not going to change. Everyone has a Twitter or IG account. Sharing on those platforms is going to fuel more sharing and commenting and it's all gonna be quite vapid in the aggregate. But then i do think it's on the consumer of these posts more so than the authors of all the dumb posts when it comes to feeling annoyed. There's nothing compelling one to surf Twitter or whatnot - if you're annoyed by what you see, then follow different people. One of the things I can't wrap my mind around most times is the general board criticism of Twitter. This is often seen in threads about some guy named Quad City Pat, random SJWs, and of course dicaro. In other words, much of the negative perception on the board of Twitter is because guys are following some of the dumbest and most ignorant people who use it. When I first started using Twitter it was to follow the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia. Over there Twitter was materially helping to foment a revolution. It was critical to receive news reports and updates that were not government propaganda from the regimes that were under fire. So when I see all this hate about Twitter and whatnot here I'm inclined to think it's actually on your patterns of consumption and not the platform itself. And again, Twitter and other platforms are gonna be saturated with dumb takes following events like Kobe's death. And that's just something I think we have to get used to.

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