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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:03 pm 
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Cubs bullpen needed someone to reliably walk 2 opposing batters per appearance.
Couldn't reacquire Edwards, huh?

Somehow CJ got a higher guarantee than Jeffress.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Jeffress might be decent. He certainly came cheap.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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JJ was pretty good until something happened to him right at the end of the 2018 season. I think it was the wild card game with the cubs or right before it. His velo was way down last year but there was no specific injury IIRC. Hopefully the Brewers just wore him out and he used the latter part of last year and the off season to get rested up.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Per Jess Rogers, Cubs Rockies have discussed a 1 for 1 trade for Bryant and Arenado with Rox paying down some of Arenado's contract.

Do it!


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Word is Bryant has lost his grievance.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Word is Bryant has lost his grievance.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Per Jess Rogers, Cubs Rockies have discussed a 1 for 1 trade for Bryant and Arenado with Rox paying down some of Arenado's contract.

Do it!

This is a good move that would solve the fact that Bryant will not be signing a L-T contract with the Cubs. What it does not do is address the problem that the 2020 cubs roster is less talented than the 2015-2019 rosters.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Per Jess Rogers, Cubs Rockies have discussed a 1 for 1 trade for Bryant and Arenado with Rox paying down some of Arenado's contract.

Do it!

This is a good move that would solve the fact that Bryant will not be signing a L-T contract with the Cubs. What it does not do is address the problem that the 2020 cubs roster is less talented than the 2015-2019 rosters.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Per Jess Rogers, Cubs Rockies have discussed a 1 for 1 trade for Bryant and Arenado with Rox paying down some of Arenado's contract.

Do it!

This is a good move that would solve the fact that Bryant will not be signing a L-T contract with the Cubs. What it does not do is address the problem that the 2020 cubs roster is less talented than the 2015-2019 rosters.


It's a terrible move because Arenado will be a free agent next year. Trading Bryant for cost controlled players makes the most sense.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Arenado has an opt out after the 2021 season.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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I did not factor that....ooof....yeah, that makes this trade look not so good.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Arenado has an opt out after the 2021 season.


Obviously if they did this trade, Arenado would have to waive his opt out for this to make sense for the Cubs which per reports, he would do.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Bryant is better than Arenado, its just a matter of health. Personally, I'd take the talent.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Bryant is better than Arenado, its just a matter of health. Personally, I'd take the talent.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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I've never seen so many seats go un-renewed during a relocation event. Holy cats.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Addition by subtraction.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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I'd say his tenure ended long before today.

"Limited by self-imposed budget limitations, the Cubs never made a serious run at Strop in free agency this winter."

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Definitely time to move on from Strop.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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IMU wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Cubs bullpen needed someone to reliably walk 2 opposing batters per appearance.
Couldn't reacquire Edwards, huh?

Somehow CJ got a higher guarantee than Jeffress.



another terrible poster.

Pure Peoria Matt-ism.

He mentions CJ getting paid more, but doesnt tell us who he signed with and for how much.

Such terrible analysts on here.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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'77Cubs wrote:
Definitely time to move on from Strop.



I disagree. It's throwback Cubs MO. Guy has a bad year and give up on him. We coulda had him for cheap just like the Reds did. Why not? Why sign these cheap dummies, and not Strop for cheap? Strop has experience, etc. OK, dont make him a setup man. To me he would still be worth it for 1.5 million as a middle man.

We brought back Morrow but not Strop who is healthy?

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Definitely time to move on from Strop.



I disagree. It's throwback Cubs MO. Guy has a bad year and give up on him. We coulda had him for cheap just like the Reds did. Why not? Why sign these cheap dummies, and not Strop for cheap? Strop has experience, etc. OK, dont make him a setup man. To me he would still be worth it for 1.5 million as a middle man.

We brought back Morrow but not Strop who is healthy?


If healthy is the key. 2 years ago he had the hamstring running out the ground ball and last year was a disaster. Yeah he may bounce back, but I have no problem letting him go. All this talk of him being one of their best relievers ever is hyperbole. He never could handle closing duties and was never a lock down set up man either. Had some good years yes, but never elite. Of course since we are talking the Cubs, he'll probably bounce back and kick our ass along with Castellanos. The Reds look good on paper and will be battling the Cubs all year long and easily could pass us up.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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'77Cubs wrote:
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Definitely time to move on from Strop.



I disagree. It's throwback Cubs MO. Guy has a bad year and give up on him. We coulda had him for cheap just like the Reds did. Why not? Why sign these cheap dummies, and not Strop for cheap? Strop has experience, etc. OK, dont make him a setup man. To me he would still be worth it for 1.5 million as a middle man.

We brought back Morrow but not Strop who is healthy?


If healthy is the key. 2 years ago he had the hamstring running out the ground ball and last year was a disaster. Yeah he may bounce back, but I have no problem letting him go. All this talk of him being one of their best relievers ever is hyperbole. He never could handle closing duties and was never a lock down set up man either. Had some good years yes, but never elite. Of course since we are talking the Cubs, he'll probably bounce back and kick our ass along with Castellanos. The Reds look good on paper and will be battling the Cubs all year long and easily could pass us up.


yes he was overrated. Never elite. But still is certainly serviceable. The groin was a freak thing. He's never had serious arm problems. Always been kind of a rubber arm. Like i said, he's an experienced arm in the bullpen who had 1 bad year. At 1.5 mil, why not?

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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whistler wrote:
IMU wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
IMU wrote:
Cubs bullpen needed someone to reliably walk 2 opposing batters per appearance.
Couldn't reacquire Edwards, huh?

Somehow CJ got a higher guarantee than Jeffress.



another terrible poster.

Pure Peoria Matt-ism.

He mentions CJ getting paid more, but doesnt tell us who he signed with and for how much.

Such terrible analysts on here.

I'm not a reporter and it is not my job to educate you. If you were a baseball fan, you'd follow the news yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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If healthy is the key. 2 years ago he had the hamstring running out the ground ball and last year was a disaster. Yeah he may bounce back, but I have no problem letting him go. All this talk of him being one of their best relievers ever is hyperbole. He never could handle closing duties and was never a lock down set up man either. Had some good years yes, but never elite.

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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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IMU wrote:
whistler wrote:
IMU wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
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Cubs bullpen needed someone to reliably walk 2 opposing batters per appearance.
Couldn't reacquire Edwards, huh?

Somehow CJ got a higher guarantee than Jeffress.



another terrible poster.

Pure Peoria Matt-ism.

He mentions CJ getting paid more, but doesnt tell us who he signed with and for how much.

Such terrible analysts on here.

I'm not a reporter and it is not my job to educate you. If you were a baseball fan, you'd follow the news yourself.


no. You are making an argument here, you need to present us with the facts first. CJ Edwards is not headline news and some of us miss it. It certainly hasnt been posted on this board or in the CJ Edwards watch thread. So start talkin. I want answers. How much is CJ making and with who?

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The Cubs can resurrect bum relief pitchers of the scrapheap of other teams and make them somewhat ok. But, they can't draft pitchers who can contribute.


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[quote="vitoscotti"]The Cubs can resurrect bum relief pitchers of the scrapheap of other teams and make them somewhat ok. But, they can't draft pitchers who can contribute.[/q

Yup, that's where the train went off the tracks, they are forced to spend tons of bad money in efforts to find pitching that they have failed to draft/develop. There are also no more highly rated prospects to trade, so now you have to trade major league talent. They can still trot out a competent lineup that will score runs on the days they hit homers, but holes all over the pitching staff, looks like a 75-80 win team.


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 Post subject: Re: 2019 Cubs Offseason
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Part of their plan was to spend heavily on pitching. They were unlucky and had bad moves.

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