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Pace is fine.

Based on his QB drafting?

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Darkside wrote:
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Pace is fine.

Based on his QB drafting?


Based on turning around a team that was aging trash.

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Pace is fine.

Based on his QB drafting?


Based on turning around a team that was aging trash.

By turning around you mean a 12 win team pooching itself in the playoffs and turning into an 8 win team with an inept QB who could have been the SB winning QB?

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I'll decide after the 2020 season.

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Darkside wrote:
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Pace is fine.

Based on his QB drafting?


Based on turning around a team that was aging trash.

By turning around you mean a 12 win team pooching itself in the playoffs and turning into an 8 win team with an inept QB who could have been the SB winning QB?


He inherited an all around shit roster with Kyle Long as his best player. The Bears are significantly better and younger.

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He's a chump, NOLA drafted better than ever after he left.

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People want to fire him for literally one wrong move and hiring a middling coach.

And there was no way in 2016 of knowing this would shake out the way it did. There is not some eight ball teams can look into. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky showed no less at UNC than Mahomes at TT. Part of the job is projectability but Mahomes question marks coming out of school were plenty. Still it was not the right pick, nobody will deny it. But I'm not going to crucify him over it until he doubles down it, like the way SF doubled down on Gabagool (who is no better than Mitch) with that massive extension that will cause their precipitous fall from grace.

As for hiring Nagy. You get one interview with the guy and have to just go on gut instinct the rest of the way. There was no way of knowing that Nagy would retreat into his Be You. playsheet and run the same plays for thirty-three straight games.

Pace has done a very good job. You would be very lucky to replace him with somebody as good as him at drafting and free agency. It would be extraordinary to find someone better.

I have seen enough to grant him the position in perpetuity, even through some lean years, as long as he doesn't grow despotic or incompetent.


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People want to fire him for literally one wrong move and hiring a middling coach.

And there was no way in 2016 of knowing this would shake out the way it did. There is not some eight ball teams can look into. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky showed no less at UNC than Mahomes at TT. Part of the job is projectability but Mahomes question marks coming out of school were plenty. Still it was not the right pick, nobody will deny it. But I'm not going to crucify him over it until he doubles down it, like the way SF doubled down on Gabagool (who is no better than Mitch) with that massive extension that will cause their precipitous fall from grace.

As for hiring Nagy. You get one interview with the guy and have to just go on gut instinct the rest of the way. There was no way of knowing that Nagy would retreat into his Be You. playsheet and run the same plays for thirty-three straight games.

Pace has done a very good job. You would be very lucky to replace him with somebody as good as him at drafting and free agency. It would be extraordinary to find someone better.

I have seen enough to grant him the position in perpetuity, even through some lean years, as long as he doesn't grow despotic or incompetent.


:shock: :lol:

You're right. Also passing on Deshaun Watson and moving up to draft Adam Shaheen were brilliant moves and should "grant him the position in perpetuity"...


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People want to fire him for literally one wrong move and hiring a middling coach.

And there was no way in 2016 of knowing this would shake out the way it did. There is not some eight ball teams can look into. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky showed no less at UNC than Mahomes at TT. Part of the job is projectability but Mahomes question marks coming out of school were plenty. Still it was not the right pick, nobody will deny it. But I'm not going to crucify him over it until he doubles down it, like the way SF doubled down on Gabagool (who is no better than Mitch) with that massive extension that will cause their precipitous fall from grace.

As for hiring Nagy. You get one interview with the guy and have to just go on gut instinct the rest of the way. There was no way of knowing that Nagy would retreat into his Be You. playsheet and run the same plays for thirty-three straight games.

Pace has done a very good job. You would be very lucky to replace him with somebody as good as him at drafting and free agency. It would be extraordinary to find someone better.

I have seen enough to grant him the position in perpetuity, even through some lean years, as long as he doesn't grow despotic or incompetent.

The GM who pantsed him just lost the SB to the QB he passed on and traded up to get.. he's a lousy GM.

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America is mostly right.

The player the 49ers drafted at #3 doesn't even play. They aren't better for making the trade either. They also signed a quarterback who may not be better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to a long term deal.

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I would absolutely rather have Mitch than Gabagool. Its not even close if you factor in the contract situation.

The GM's main job is really just to manage the cap and keep things tidy. There is very little skill involved with the draft, its really a crapshoot. Sometimes you can find a true diamond in the rough but mostly its making what are really just informed gambles. It is impossible to really tell if a player will put in the work necessary to be a pro player or whether they will be handle the speed of the pro game. There are ways to guess, but there are no ways to know.

Pace does a good job drafting when you accept that reality. If you refuse to accept that reality you will never be satisfied.


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Anybody on EARTH who says Ryan Pace is a good GM is on that H.F.S drug from that 21 Jump Street movie and is in Phase 1: The Giggs.

But it's ownerships fault.

Rule #1 When Hiring a GM:

-Hire a GM with a proven QB success record.

Pace knows QB's like Ellen DeGeneres knows pee-pees.


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The only GM's with a proven QB success record are GM's who have only drafted one QB.


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They would have ruined Mahomes anyway.

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They would have ruined Mahomes anyway.


No faith in Dowell Loggains?

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People want to fire him for literally one wrong move and hiring a middling coach.

And there was no way in 2016 of knowing this would shake out the way it did. There is not some eight ball teams can look into. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky showed no less at UNC than Mahomes at TT. Part of the job is projectability but Mahomes question marks coming out of school were plenty. Still it was not the right pick, nobody will deny it. But I'm not going to crucify him over it until he doubles down it, like the way SF doubled down on Gabagool (who is no better than Mitch) with that massive extension that will cause their precipitous fall from grace.

As for hiring Nagy. You get one interview with the guy and have to just go on gut instinct the rest of the way. There was no way of knowing that Nagy would retreat into his Be You. playsheet and run the same plays for thirty-three straight games.

Pace has done a very good job. You would be very lucky to replace him with somebody as good as him at drafting and free agency. It would be extraordinary to find someone better.

I have seen enough to grant him the position in perpetuity, even through some lean years, as long as he doesn't grow despotic or incompetent.

Pretty, pretty, pretty ..... good.


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They would have ruined Mahomes anyway.

I've considered that MANY times as well. Not sure whether I ultimately believe it or not, but it's certainly plausible.

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They would have ruined Mahomes anyway.


This

And anyone who denies it is insane, or doesn't actually watch football.

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
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They would have ruined Mahomes anyway.


This

And anyone who denies it is insane, or doesn't actually watch football.


Agreed.


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Antarctica wrote:
People want to fire him for literally one wrong move and hiring a middling coach..


rule of thumb is that a GM gets two head coaching hires and sinks or swims with a high first round qb pick

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People want to fire him for literally one wrong move and hiring a middling coach..


rule of thumb is that a GM gets two head coaching hires and sinks or swims with a high first round qb pick


Also....signing Mike Glennon, signing Eddie Royal and Antrelle Rolle.... need I say more??


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I would argue it would have been worse for Pace had the 49ers won last night.


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The Bears were old and bad when Pace arrived and now their roster is you and dramatically improved.

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The Bears were old and bad when Pace arrived and now their roster is you and dramatically improved.

He passed on both QB's in the Superbowl last night.


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Nas wrote:
The Bears were old and bad when Pace arrived and now their roster is you and dramatically improved.


But a good roster don't mean shit if you don't have the QB who can make plays in the big game.

The '06 Bears found that out.

The '19 49ers found that out last night.


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The Bears were old and bad when Pace arrived and now their roster is you and dramatically improved.

He passed on both QB's in the Superbowl last night.


He was half right.

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Nas wrote:
The Bears were old and bad when Pace arrived and now their roster is you and dramatically improved.


But a good roster don't mean shit if you don't have the QB who can make plays in the big game.

The '06 Bears found that out.

The '19 49ers found that out last night.


We all would love a HoF QB. He clearly got the QB pick wrong. IF the league knows what Mahomes is he would have gone #1. That's a HUGE miss but I can't overlook how far this roster has come.

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They would have ruined Mahomes anyway.


This

And anyone who denies it is insane, or doesn't actually watch football.


I think you're selling Mahomes short

His development would have been stunted, but no way in hell would Mahomes have let a few bad coaches ruin all the talent he has.

It's not just his arm. It's so many intangibles too. He just has "IT." And no amount of bad coaching was gonna hold that down forever.

But he probably wouldn't have truly excelled until Chicago gave up on him, lol


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Everyone Pace has traded up to draft has been disappointing at best: Floyd, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, Miller, Montgomery.

His approach to the draft is unsound.

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