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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Wisconsin and Illinois not that much different.

Denis is retiring to the middle of nowhere in Wisconsin. Of course property taxes are lower there.

Yep. Its misleading to compare states when property taxes are primarily determined by county districts. Yes Cook county is bad, as are most of the collar counties. But comparing the Chicago area to Friendship WI is apples and oranges.

And FWIW, taxes on lakefront property on Lake of the Ozarks (central MO) are about 1/10th of what they are on most boatable lakes in WI.


I am on the fourth largest lake in WI and pay 40% of what I pay in Kane County. Again no clue what that would be in MO.

It doesn’t matter what this board thinks in any case. People are moving out of Illinois at a time when the country is still growing. I will join those folks for my own reasons. If they change the flat tax in November, I may look to move sooner and just work from home. I am not paying a marginal 10% of my income to Illinois on top of 37% Federal.

CH is quite right about the friendliness of WI folk.

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It would be 7.95% and if you are making over 500K does it really matter? You live more comfortably than 99% of the population. At some point isn't it just greed?


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denisdman wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494/

Wisconsin and Illinois not that much different.

Denis is retiring to the middle of nowhere in Wisconsin. Of course property taxes are lower there.

Yep. Its misleading to compare states when property taxes are primarily determined by county districts. Yes Cook county is bad, as are most of the collar counties. But comparing the Chicago area to Friendship WI is apples and oranges.

And FWIW, taxes on lakefront property on Lake of the Ozarks (central MO) are about 1/10th of what they are on most boatable lakes in WI.


I am on the fourth largest lake in WI and pay 40% of what I pay in Kane County. Again no clue what that would be in MO.

It doesn’t matter what this board thinks in any case. People are moving out of Illinois at a time when the country is still growing. I will join those folks for my own reasons. If they change the flat tax in November, I may look to move sooner and just work from home. I am njot paying a marginal 10% of my income to Illinois on top of 37% Federal.

CH is quite right about the friendliness of WI folk.

I’m not disparaging Castle Rock lake or Wisconsin. I’m a big fan and agree that the people are great. We are looking at retirement property up there ourselves. However, as a tax comparison we are in the heart of the lake and our taxes are $30 per month (it’s very small cabin on a very big lake). It’s just too damn far away.

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We'd likely end up on the gulf coast and I'd still want to be near a City, so Tampa makes the most sense.


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LAKE WYLIE, S.C.—This lakefront suburb of Charlotte, N.C., is among the Sunbelt’s strongest magnets for young families.

Since 2000, Lake Wylie has tripled in population to 12,000 on the strength of its good schools, low taxes and proximity to Charlotte’s jobs in the financial and technology sectors. But those schools are filling up, the water system frequently fails under increased demand and 20-mile commutes are stretching to 90 minutes.

Now, the town that grew too fast wants to stop growth.

In December, the York County Council, which is led by Republicans, put a 16-month moratorium on commercial and residential rezoning requests and consideration of any new apartment complexes or subdivisions. It is the most comprehensive ban so far in a state where fast-growing cities are temporarily blocking everything from dollar stores to student housing, the Municipal Association of South Carolina said.
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“People say, ‘You’re a business owner. Why do you want to stop growth?’” said York County Councilmember Allison Love, a Republican who owns a jewelry store. “But we’ve passed the point of diminishing returns.”

Ms. Love collected thousands of signatures in support of a slowdown, some at community meetings she hosted during rush hour, thinking constituents would attend rather than be stuck in traffic.
Councilmember Allison Love at a community meeting with Lake Wylie residents.

She said Lake Wylie has been filling up with gas stations and look-alike subdivisions (“I call them ‘Whovilles’”) with no plan for what type of development is needed. There are seven car washes and six self-storage facilities along the town’s main artery, but few restaurants and doctors’ offices.

“It’s like getting in the cafeteria line and you said, ‘OK, you got baked fish, spaghetti,’ so you take some, then you get down the line and say, ‘Oh, that fried chicken looks good,’ and then you get to the end and you don’t have room for the banana pudding,” Ms. Love said. “We don’t have room for the banana pudding.”

Booming towns across the Sunbelt are struggling to unwind the unintended consequences of growth. After years of taking a hands-off approach, they now find themselves without the tax structures or long-term infrastructure plans needed to deal with the present and help shape their future.

More than 80% of Lake Wylie’s population was born in another state and 40% of its households have school-age children, according to the U.S. Census.

The local school district is seeking to pay for at least three new schools with a $15,000 impact fee applied to the cost of a newly built house. The Clover School District, which includes Lake Wylie, modeled its proposal on the neighboring Fort Mill School District, which saw a slowdown in construction after raising its fee two years ago to $18,000 from $2,500.

The Home Builders Association of South Carolina and a coalition of other builders are challenging the Fort Mill school fee in a lawsuit, saying it is so “excessive it shocks the conscience” and four times the national average of $4,700. The median list price for a home in Lake Wylie is $344,000, according to Realtor.com.
Paddlers Cove in Lake Wylie.

The Lake Wylie Chamber of Commerce supports the measures as a “pause” for local government to catch up.

“It’s all happened so quickly,” Chamber President Susan Bromfield said. “You want growth, but you want planned growth.”

Sara McCauley fears it is too little, too late. She said her family fled “a life on pavement” in a small rental house in San Jose, Calif., in 2011 for a five-bedroom house a stone’s throw from the lake. Since then, her husband’s commute time doubled, her child’s class size has grown to 26 from 20 and the water system has failed so frequently that she stockpiles gallons of store-bought water.

“We are sick of the traffic and constant construction and water main breaks,” said Ms. McCauley, a 42-year-old mother of three. “Everything is just behind.”

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Hmm, low-density, car-oriented development was Actually Bad after all.

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LAKE WYLIE, S.C.—This lakefront suburb of Charlotte, N.C., is among the Sunbelt’s strongest magnets for young families.

Since 2000, Lake Wylie has tripled in population to 12,000 on the strength of its good schools, low taxes and proximity to Charlotte’s jobs in the financial and technology sectors. But those schools are filling up, the water system frequently fails under increased demand and 20-mile commutes are stretching to 90 minutes.

Now, the town that grew too fast wants to stop growth.

In December, the York County Council, which is led by Republicans, put a 16-month moratorium on commercial and residential rezoning requests and consideration of any new apartment complexes or subdivisions. It is the most comprehensive ban so far in a state where fast-growing cities are temporarily blocking everything from dollar stores to student housing, the Municipal Association of South Carolina said.
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What’s the best way for towns or small cities to address rapid growth? Join the conversation below.

“People say, ‘You’re a business owner. Why do you want to stop growth?’” said York County Councilmember Allison Love, a Republican who owns a jewelry store. “But we’ve passed the point of diminishing returns.”

Ms. Love collected thousands of signatures in support of a slowdown, some at community meetings she hosted during rush hour, thinking constituents would attend rather than be stuck in traffic.
Councilmember Allison Love at a community meeting with Lake Wylie residents.

She said Lake Wylie has been filling up with gas stations and look-alike subdivisions (“I call them ‘Whovilles’”) with no plan for what type of development is needed. There are seven car washes and six self-storage facilities along the town’s main artery, but few restaurants and doctors’ offices.

“It’s like getting in the cafeteria line and you said, ‘OK, you got baked fish, spaghetti,’ so you take some, then you get down the line and say, ‘Oh, that fried chicken looks good,’ and then you get to the end and you don’t have room for the banana pudding,” Ms. Love said. “We don’t have room for the banana pudding.”

Booming towns across the Sunbelt are struggling to unwind the unintended consequences of growth. After years of taking a hands-off approach, they now find themselves without the tax structures or long-term infrastructure plans needed to deal with the present and help shape their future.

More than 80% of Lake Wylie’s population was born in another state and 40% of its households have school-age children, according to the U.S. Census.

The local school district is seeking to pay for at least three new schools with a $15,000 impact fee applied to the cost of a newly built house. The Clover School District, which includes Lake Wylie, modeled its proposal on the neighboring Fort Mill School District, which saw a slowdown in construction after raising its fee two years ago to $18,000 from $2,500.

The Home Builders Association of South Carolina and a coalition of other builders are challenging the Fort Mill school fee in a lawsuit, saying it is so “excessive it shocks the conscience” and four times the national average of $4,700. The median list price for a home in Lake Wylie is $344,000, according to Realtor.com.
Paddlers Cove in Lake Wylie.

The Lake Wylie Chamber of Commerce supports the measures as a “pause” for local government to catch up.

“It’s all happened so quickly,” Chamber President Susan Bromfield said. “You want growth, but you want planned growth.”

Sara McCauley fears it is too little, too late. She said her family fled “a life on pavement” in a small rental house in San Jose, Calif., in 2011 for a five-bedroom house a stone’s throw from the lake. Since then, her husband’s commute time doubled, her child’s class size has grown to 26 from 20 and the water system has failed so frequently that she stockpiles gallons of store-bought water.

“We are sick of the traffic and constant construction and water main breaks,” said Ms. McCauley, a 42-year-old mother of three. “Everything is just behind.”

It's all one big shuffling of deck chairs...

How can you have any banana pudding if you don't eat your baked fish?

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Lake Wylie sounds like what Montgomery IL did a while back as they saw Oswego grow into a suburb of Naperville.

I figure that in 15 years the part of NC where I live will get to the point where I'll want something smaller as I hit my 70s. It'll be time to cash out and move to a place more conducive to dying.

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being able to watch the emerging Sox AAA players certainly makes up for any inconvenience

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
Lake Wylie sounds like what Montgomery IL did a while back as they saw Oswego grow into a suburb of Naperville.


Yeah, to me it kind of sounds like Plainfield in the 90's. Boomed right in between censuses (censi?) Infrastructure had to catch up, the low taxes everybody moved there for shot up accordingly.

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where do people who live in Florida and Arizona retire to?

Anybody ever look at Central and South American locations for retirement? You can find enclaves of English speaking communities in low cost tropical locations.

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where do people who live in Florida and Arizona retire to?

Anybody ever look at Central and South American locations for retirement? You can find enclaves of English speaking communities in low cost tropical locations.


I had a right-wing boss who bought land in Panama and was going to build a house there so he wouldn't have to pay taxes. I think he had some health issues and figured it might be good to live in a place with doctors. So he moved to South Carolina. (?) Whatever.

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good dolphin wrote:
where do people who live in Florida and Arizona retire to?

Anybody ever look at Central and South American locations for retirement? You can find enclaves of English speaking communities in low cost tropical locations.

Not Central American, but I know San Miguel de Allende is a big haven for artsy expats. I think it's about four hours out from Mexico City.

Belize is an anglophone country, but I wouldn't wanna go there.

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Not Central American, but I know San Miguel de Allende is a big haven for artsy expats. I think it's about four hours out from Mexico City.
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Seacrest's cousin can tell you about the housing situation there.

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Not Central American, but I know San Miguel de Allende is a big haven for artsy expats. I think it's about four hours out from Mexico City.
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Seacrest's cousin can tell you about the housing situation there.



Hatchet can tell you what the housing was like 15 years ago....IF you can get him to stop his fixation with Trump's twitter account. :lol:

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KW, there was a similar article in a Boise burb about a week ago in the WSJ.

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denisdman wrote:
KW, there was a similar article in a Boise burb about a week ago in the WSJ.

I remember reading that one. Idaho, Utah, Montana, Oregon...are all ready to kill Californians.

Natives are getting crushed with the escalation in housing costs. I think they said Boise has median house price between $300K - $400K??!!


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denisdman wrote:
KW, there was a similar article in a Boise burb about a week ago in the WSJ.

I remember reading that one. Idaho, Utah, Montana, Oregon...are all ready to kill Californians.

Natives are getting crushed with the escalation in housing costs. I think they said Boise has median house price between $300K - $400K??!!


If you factor in property taxes that's about a 200K house in Illinois.


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