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Disney CEO apologizes after elementary school is fined for Lion King showing
But that doesn’t answer how the company learned about the event

Disney CEO Bob Iger is personally apologizing to a parent-teacher association group after a California elementary school was fined for buying a physical version of The Lion King and playing it during a fundraising event.


“Our company [Disney] apologizes to the Emerson Elementary School PTA and I will personally donate to their fund raising initiative,” Iger tweeted this morning.

The case is a bizarre one. Emerson Elementary School in Berkeley, California, was fined $250 by licensing firm Movie Licensing USA for playing the movie during a “parent’s night out” fundraiser that raised $800, according to CNN. The fundraiser was set up to help out teachers and bring more money into the school, according to a tweet from the Emerson PTA.

“ONE OF THE DADS BOUGHT THE MOVIE AT BEST BUY”
Movie Licensing USA, a licensing firm that works with Disney and a number of other companies, sent an email to Emerson Elementary, letting it know the firm was alerted to the PTA’s screening, and the school was facing a $250 fine as a result for showing a movie for which it didn’t have the licensing rights. The email, which was obtained by CNN, noted that “any time a movie is shown outside of the home, legal permission is needed to show it, as it is considered a Public Performance.”

Members of the PTA didn’t know they had to license it. “One of the dads bought the movie at Best Buy,” PTA president David Rose told CNN. “He owned it. We literally had no idea we were breaking any rules.”

There are a number of unanswered questions. How did Movie Licensing USA even find out about the event? Who alerted the company to a small fundraising event, which led the firm to take action? Disney is notorious for its copyright takedown strategy, but it’s usually over parts of its movies ending up on YouTube or other hosting sites or merchandise using characters from its properties — not a fundraising event where a movie purchased by a local father was shown.

At least Iger is trying to rectify the situation. But it doesn’t answer any of the questions listed above. The Verge has reached out to Disney and Movie Licensing USA for more information.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/6/21126 ... er-apology

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Way more interesting than psychoanalyzing JD, friend.

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Denied. Fair Use and Copyright should be something they’re familiar with, although MANY teachers just ignore that and play videos anyway. I mean, sure, of all companies, of course it’d be Disney with their permanent fucking over of US copyright law to keep Mickey Mouse out of the public domain. Public performance licenses aren’t that expensive.


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They should add a message to movies about displaying it in public without permission.

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Denied. Fair Use and Copyright should be something they’re familiar with, although MANY teachers just ignore that and play videos anyway. I mean, sure, of all companies, of course it’d be Disney with their permanent fucking over of US copyright law to keep Mickey Mouse out of the public domain. Public performance licenses aren’t that expensive.


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They should add a message to movies about displaying it in public without permission.


What I don't get is that someone bought it from best buy then played it. Wasn't pirated etc. What's the difference? Is it the money they presumably charged (as a fundraiser) to watch it the differentiating factor here?

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What I don't get is that someone bought it from best buy then played it. Wasn't pirated etc. What's the difference? Is it the money they presumably charged (as a fundraiser) to watch it the differentiating factor here?
For the same reason a movie theater can't go to best buy and buy a dvd and then sell tickets to watch it. It's a different license for public broadcast.

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What I don't get is that someone bought it from best buy then played it. Wasn't pirated etc. What's the difference? Is it the money they presumably charged (as a fundraiser) to watch it the differentiating factor here?
For the same reason a movie theater can't go to best buy and buy a dvd and then sell tickets to watch it. It's a different license for public broadcast.



Gotcha. Still interested to know how they found out about the fundraiser and if there's a threshold they have in mind when deciding to fine people. Would they let a backyard fundraiser slide but go after a much larger crowd? Obviously in this case they went after the smallest infraction possible. Just weird.

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What I don't get is that someone bought it from best buy then played it. Wasn't pirated etc. What's the difference? Is it the money they presumably charged (as a fundraiser) to watch it the differentiating factor here?
For the same reason a movie theater can't go to best buy and buy a dvd and then sell tickets to watch it. It's a different license for public broadcast.



Gotcha. Still interested to know how they found out about the fundraiser and if there's a threshold they have in mind when deciding to fine people. Would they let a backyard fundraiser slide but go after a much larger crowd? Obviously in this case they went after the smallest infraction possible. Just weird.

It certainly wasn't worth the fight for them. I'm guessing they mostly just ignore this.

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Disney could make millions fining schools for showing their movies every year. But then they would probably lose money in the long run.

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Do schools also generally get fines for doing school plays and musicals? Not everything is in the public domain.

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Do schools also generally get fines for doing school plays and musicals? Not everything is in the public domain.


It never happens. Same with showing movies.

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How is this gay bashing?


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Do schools also generally get fines for doing school plays and musicals? Not everything is in the public domain.

No, there are performance licenses involved with schools doing with stage shows. You have to buy the book, you can't just download a script off the internet and put on a show. My director explained it to me one day when I was in Inherit the Wind, mostly has to do with charging admission and stuff. Sheet music must be covered by some blanket license, because I was much more involved in the band department but don't remember any additional paperwork involved when we did paid shows.

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Mickey Mouse should have been put into the public domain years/decades ago, but somehow Disney keeps it protected.

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great fundraising strategy...play a disney movie, draw a response and fine, and then cry on social media, resulting in a bigger gift from Disney...Bingo!

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Mickey Mouse should have been put into the public domain years/decades ago, but somehow Disney keeps it protected.


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They should add a message to movies about displaying it in public without permission.


Basically the laws exist to protect their business model particularly when showing a movie to more than a certain number of people. They probably should be going after China rather than the PTA.

There's a saying that the average person commits several felonies every day. Generally speaking your average person is largely ignorant of most laws that are on the books that are not obvious. It's probably because the law is complicated and most people wouldn't know the law unless they looked it up. Even police officers don't always know the law.

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There's a saying that the average person commits several felonies every day.

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