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My stance on any sort of medical invention is that it should be done only once the person is an adult and can make their own decision. I wouldn't let my 13 year old get a tattoo either. Once they are old enough to make the decision as an adult then that is their choice.


This is one of many issues with the whole topic with which I struggle.

If a person is going to prove to be trans in adulthood, it probably is better to have changed even before puberty.



are there example stories of kids who trans'd but their later in life.... oh nevermind i actually am the gender my chromosomes said i was?


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Sentence one: I don't give a shit.

Very next sentence: I give a shit.


Is that how you read that? Really?


You are clearly very passionate about this topic. Passion is not a trait that aligns with apathy.

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My friend's daughter that is transitioning to a man stated that she knew that she wanted to be a male as early as 4 or 5 years old. She also stated that never adhered nor conformed to any of the gender specific roles that society has already established for genders. Always participated in activities that were considered masculine

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My stance on any sort of medical invention is that it should be done only once the person is an adult and can make their own decision. I wouldn't let my 13 year old get a tattoo either. Once they are old enough to make the decision as an adult then that is their choice.


This is one of many issues with the whole topic with which I struggle.

If a person is going to prove to be trans in adulthood, it probably is better to have changed even before puberty.


Why?


If you are going to identify as a woman it is better for you physically not to have developed as a man, including musculature, facial features, body and facial hair growth.

Just move puberty back to age 21. Problem solved.


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If you are going to identify as a woman it is better for you physically not to have developed as a man, including musculature, facial features, body and facial hair growth.
Unless you are trying to win Olympic medals; https://www.olympic.org/montreal-1976/a ... athlon-men

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It is pretty much certain that the massive proliferation of sex change operations in the last ten years will be looked back on as barbaric. People will cite with awe the number of people who had their lives totally destroyed at the advice of medical professionals. It will be seen as no different than electro-shock therapy or lobotomies.


Yes, and that's why celebrating that Wade now has a "daughter" is ridiculous and dangerous. Kids do crazy shit all the time for attention. Maybe it's a phase. Maybe he's gay. Who knows? But asking ten-year-olds to declare their gender is ridiculous. Promoting it in the media as brave and noble is absurd, and done for virtue signaling reasons.

This is leading many people down a dangerous path. Having unnecessary cosmetic surgery or taking a ton of drugs to be your "real" self is pure fantasy, and dangerous to anyone's longterm health.

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are there example stories of kids who trans'd but their later in life.... oh nevermind i actually am the gender my chromosomes said i was?

Countless, but nobody actually knows how prevalent it is. You'd actually be shocked how little real unbiased research has gone into this issue. I reckon most people who would be carrying out these studies are afraid because they would be eviscerated for telling some pretty ugly truths about this trend.

Generally speaking I assume whenever you are questioning the damage wrought by the transgender fad and the answers aren't available from academia then you should probably assume it is way worse than you've been led to believe. The effect of career and social intimidation plus the obfuscation of what little facts there actually are have turned this whole thing into voodooism.


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This is really the natural extension of Wade wearing the fake, smart girl glasses and starting that trend in the d/l NBA.

Luckily, no one followed Cam when he tried to do it but expect something from his kids down the road.

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are there example stories of kids who trans'd but their later in life.... oh nevermind i actually am the gender my chromosomes said i was?

Countless, but nobody actually knows how prevalent it is. You'd actually be shocked how little real unbiased research has gone into this issue. I reckon most people who would be carrying out these studies are afraid because they would be eviscerated for telling some pretty ugly truths about this trend.

Generally speaking I assume whenever you are questioning the damage wrought by the transgender fad and the answers aren't available from academia then you should probably assume it is way worse than you've been led to believe. The effect of career and social intimidation plus the obfuscation of what little facts there actually are have turned this whole thing into voodooism.


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Sentence one: I don't give a shit.

Very next sentence: I give a shit.


Is that how you read that? Really?


You are clearly very passionate about this topic. Passion is not a trait that aligns with apathy.


I'm passionate about everything, Spiral.

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Luckily, no one followed Cam when he tried to do it but expect something from his kids down the road.

Wrong. Lots of Chiefs looked a bit suspicious during Super Bowl week, Travis Kelce most notably.

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Luckily, no one followed Cam when he tried to do it but expect something from his kids down the road.

Wrong. Lots of Chiefs looked a bit suspicious during Super Bowl week, Travis Kelce most notably.


Travis Kelce is about as confused as a person as anyone in the NFL.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Sentence one: I don't give a shit.

Very next sentence: I give a shit.


Is that how you read that? Really?


You are clearly very passionate about this topic. Passion is not a trait that aligns with apathy.


I'm passionate about everything, Spiral.


Then you gotta concede you give a least a little shit about Wade's kid.

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Sentence one: I don't give a shit.

Very next sentence: I give a shit.


Is that how you read that? Really?


You are clearly very passionate about this topic. Passion is not a trait that aligns with apathy.


I'm passionate about everything, Spiral.


Then you gotta concede you give a least a little shit about Wade's kid.


I'm interested in the topic. I think the language aspect is a critical part of it, particularly when it comes to pronouns which are used constantly. Just think if every person is entitled to _____ own pronouns. We'd be setting up a Tower of Babel situation where nobody knows who or what anyone is talking about. I wouldn't have any objection to society agreeing on a sex-neutral set of pronouns that we all agree to use in cases where sex is unknown. That wouldn't be much different than the transition to "Ms." in the 70s, a little more difficult because of the way we use pronouns but possible. I'm not going to use plurals for singulars though and no one can make me.

As far as sex reassignment surgery is concerned, I don't mind an adult seeking it, but I do think it presents an ethical issue to "doctors". What if someone identifies as blind- and some people certainly do- should a doctor remove that person's eyes? How about amputation? I don't consider plastic surgeons doctors. They're money grubbers preying on people's insecurities.

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So much national conversation about such an infinitesimally small subset of the population.

The strength of the gay rights movement was in its relation to the straight community. The stigma died or is dying because once people started to live more openly the straight population realized that just about everyone knew someone who was gay within a couple of degrees of separation.

The highest estimates for the homosexual population is 10% but more likely in the 5% range. Trans is estimated at .6%.

We openly desecrate the sacred lands of people with larger populations

That's not to say trans are unworthy of equal rights. That discussion is not limited to only those with sufficient population. That is a moral discussion.

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So much national conversation about such an infinitesimally small subset of the population.

The strength of the gay rights movement was in its relation to the straight community. The stigma died or is dying because once people started to live more openly the straight population realized that just about everyone knew someone who was gay within a couple of degrees of separation.

The highest estimates for the homosexual population is 10% but more likely in the 5% range. Trans is estimated at .6%.


That's part of the issue. Most of these kids don't have gender dysphoria at all. Just unwitting parents who are following a political agenda they think makes them "good people".

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It is pretty much certain that the massive proliferation of sex change operations in the last ten years will be looked back on as barbaric. People will cite with awe the number of people who had their lives totally destroyed at the advice of medical professionals. It will be seen as no different than electro-shock therapy or lobotomies.

That's a good comparison. Medicine has not gone forward in a straight line.

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are there example stories of kids who trans'd but their later in life.... oh nevermind i actually am the gender my chromosomes said i was?

Countless, but nobody actually knows how prevalent it is. You'd actually be shocked how little real unbiased research has gone into this issue. I reckon most people who would be carrying out these studies are afraid because they would be eviscerated for telling some pretty ugly truths about this trend.

Generally speaking I assume whenever you are questioning the damage wrought by the transgender fad and the answers aren't available from academia then you should probably assume it is way worse than you've been led to believe. The effect of career and social intimidation plus the obfuscation of what little facts there actually are have turned this whole thing into voodooism.


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I started my transgender journey as a 4-year-old boy when my grandmother repeatedly, over several years, cross-dressed me in a full-length purple dress she made especially for me and told me how pretty I was as a girl. This planted the seed of gender confusion and led to my transitioning at age 42 to transgender female.

I lived as “Laura” for eight years, but, as I now know, transitioning doesn’t fix the underlying ailments.

Studies show that most people who want to live as the opposite sex have other psychological issues, such as depression or anxiety.


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Of course they have depression and/or anxiety. They are rejected by society and called crazy.

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Of course they have depression and/or anxiety. They are rejected by society and called crazy.

Really? Seems like these days they're often celebrated.

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Of course they have depression and/or anxiety. They are rejected by society and called crazy.
Really? Seems like these days they're often celebrated.
They are brave.

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Of course they have depression and/or anxiety. They are rejected by society and called crazy.


There is absolutely no certainty that having surgery or taking hormones will fix those feelings. What it will do is alter your body, open you up to side effects, and cost you many thousands of dollars.

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Had I not been misled by media stories of sex change “success” and by medical practitioners who said transitioning was the answer to my problems, I wouldn’t have suffered as I have. Genetics can’t be changed. Feelings, however, can and do change. Underlying issues often drive the desire to escape one’s life into another, and they need to be addressed before taking the radical step of transition.

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Of course they have depression and/or anxiety. They are rejected by society and called crazy.

Really? Seems like these days they're often celebrated.

I'm pretty sure the reactions to me here are going to destroy my mental state.

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We're making a huge mistake with how we're classifying transgenders. It's real cute that we've raised our children over the last 40 years or so to tell them that they're all special, that however it is they feel is ok. Sometimes it's not ok.
This will eventually be classified as a mental illness. And coddling victims and not treating this mental illness as what it is has resulted is staggering suicide rates. By staggering its something like half of males and a third of transgender females have attempted suicide.
Once we stop playing like everyone is right and everyone's feelings are ok we'll learn that the dysmorphia is a symptom of another underlying illness that has a very high chance of resulting in suicide.
Peoples lives are at stake.
People die from not being treated.
Its preventable. But we won't prevent it because this society is becoming way too complacent in such matters.

And that's all I have to say about that

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We're making a huge mistake with how we're classifying transgenders. It's real cute that we've raised our children over the last 40 years or so to tell them that they're all special, that however it is they feel is ok. Sometimes it's not ok.
This will eventually be classified as a mental illness. And coddling victims and not treating this mental illness as what it is has resulted is staggering suicide rates. By staggering its something like half of males and a third of transgender females have attempted suicide.
Once we stop playing like everyone is right and everyone's feelings are ok we'll learn that the dysmorphia is a symptom of another underlying illness that has a very high chance of resulting in suicide.
Peoples lives are at stake.
People die from not being treated.
Its preventable. But we won't prevent it because this society is becoming way too complacent in such matters.

And that's all I have to say about that
The problem with using suicide rates as a link to something being a mental illness is you can add a lot of things to the list of things that make it more likely. One of them is gun ownership. I don't think it means that gun owners have mental illness.

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We're making a huge mistake with how we're classifying transgenders. It's real cute that we've raised our children over the last 40 years or so to tell them that they're all special, that however it is they feel is ok. Sometimes it's not ok.
This will eventually be classified as a mental illness. And coddling victims and not treating this mental illness as what it is has resulted is staggering suicide rates. By staggering its something like half of males and a third of transgender females have attempted suicide.
Once we stop playing like everyone is right and everyone's feelings are ok we'll learn that the dysmorphia is a symptom of another underlying illness that has a very high chance of resulting in suicide.
Peoples lives are at stake.
People die from not being treated.
Its preventable. But we won't prevent it because this society is becoming way too complacent in such matters.

And that's all I have to say about that
The problem with using suicide rates as a link to something being a mental illness is you can add a lot of things to the list of things that make it more likely. One of them is gun ownership. I don't think it means that gun owners have mental illness.

Are gun owners killing themselves at a rate of higher than 20%?

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