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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:05 am 
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I wouldn't worry too much about grade school grades.

They usually include a lot of subjectivity with behavioral components that disfavor energetic boys.

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I remember taking the Iowa tests in 3rd grade. We did a lot of practice on narrative, expository, and persuasive five-paragraph essays, because we wouldn't know which one our prompt would be. The practice prompt for persuasive was always arguing for or against whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch. I remember this because we beat this into the ground to the extent that I asked why we couldn't argue anything other than McDonald's for lunch. The prompt on the actual 1994-95 Iowa test was whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch.


The school used to occasionally serve us McDonald's in 2nd or 3rd grade.


In my suburban school, that was the practice through 6th grade.

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Hey, speaking of library-as-weekly-class, did anyone else who went to grade school in the '90s have to deal with the administration giving the school library some dumbass obfuscatory name? Like, we would have each day's schedule written out on the board and one day "IMC" was listed. I asked what "IMC" was. She said it was "the Instructional Material Center." I asked what that was. She said it was the library. I asked why we couldn't call it the library. She said because it's an instructional material center. Remembering this now, I think that conversation as much as anything was what led to the Ritalin prescription.
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I remember taking the Iowa tests in 3rd grade. We did a lot of practice on narrative, expository, and persuasive five-paragraph essays, because we wouldn't know which one our prompt would be. The practice prompt for persuasive was always arguing for or against whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch. I remember this because we beat this into the ground to the extent that I asked why we couldn't argue anything other than McDonald's for lunch. The prompt on the actual 1994-95 Iowa test was whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch.


The school used to occasionally serve us McDonald's in 2nd or 3rd grade.


In my suburban school, that was the practice through 6th grade.

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I remember taking the Iowa tests in 3rd grade. We did a lot of practice on narrative, expository, and persuasive five-paragraph essays, because we wouldn't know which one our prompt would be. The practice prompt for persuasive was always arguing for or against whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch. I remember this because we beat this into the ground to the extent that I asked why we couldn't argue anything other than McDonald's for lunch. The prompt on the actual 1994-95 Iowa test was whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch.


The school used to occasionally serve us McDonald's in 2nd or 3rd grade.


In my suburban school, that was the practice through 6th grade.


Closest thing we had to that was brought in pizza which was nothing great but it beat the hell outta the pizza the cafeteria ladies cooked.

I don’t recall essays on the Iowa tests but it’s been 128 years since I took one.


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We never had McDonald's, but the next year, we did switch to a hot lunch program where every day of the month, either a hot dog or a hamburger was available as an alternate to whatever the daily menu was. Close enough. I was always a cold-lunch kid until like 7th grade, though.

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I remember taking the Iowa tests in 3rd grade. We did a lot of practice on narrative, expository, and persuasive five-paragraph essays, because we wouldn't know which one our prompt would be. The practice prompt for persuasive was always arguing for or against whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch. I remember this because we beat this into the ground to the extent that I asked why we couldn't argue anything other than McDonald's for lunch. The prompt on the actual 1994-95 Iowa test was whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch.


The school used to occasionally serve us McDonald's in 2nd or 3rd grade.


In my suburban school, that was the practice through 6th grade.


Closest thing we had to that was brought in pizza which was nothing great but it beat the hell outta the pizza the cafeteria ladies cooked.


Never had pizza in school until I came back into the city in 77. Back then, pizza wasn't a big thing in the south suburbs iirc.

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I remember taking the Iowa tests in 3rd grade. We did a lot of practice on narrative, expository, and persuasive five-paragraph essays, because we wouldn't know which one our prompt would be. The practice prompt for persuasive was always arguing for or against whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch. I remember this because we beat this into the ground to the extent that I asked why we couldn't argue anything other than McDonald's for lunch. The prompt on the actual 1994-95 Iowa test was whether schools should serve McDonald's for lunch.


The school used to occasionally serve us McDonald's in 2nd or 3rd grade.


In my suburban school, that was the practice through 6th grade.


Closest thing we had to that was brought in pizza which was nothing great but it beat the hell outta the pizza the cafeteria ladies cooked.


Never had pizza in school until I came back into the city in 77. Back then, pizza wasn't a big thing in the south suburbs iirc.

How was it riding a horse and buggy to school?

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We had hot lunch almost every Monday at my catholic school from about 3rd grade on. Sometimes items were brought in (McD's, White Castle, Domino's), but most of the time it was mostaccioli , chicken tenders/nuggets, hotdogs, or other items that could be mass cooked in the Bingo Hall kitchen. The other days were brown bagged, except for on Fridays during Lent, they offered Cheese pizza slices.

Entree, chips, and can of Wildwood Cola for $2. Those were the days.

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Some things you never forget. When i was in kindergarten I remember hot lunch was 55 cents and Friday was pizza day. If you brought cold lunch, white milk was 5 cents and chocolate was 6 cents. I think they had skim milk available as well but there was no 2% bullshit back then in my school. To this day i will only drink whole milk, i never developed a tasted for low fat.

Back on topic, I started getting letter grades in 4th grade as a kid. My kids have been getting letter grades since 3rd. I dont remember anything weird about the grade scale they used on my kids K-2 except it was very basic, "Exceeds", "Meets" and "Needs Improvement" kind of stuff.


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We had hot lunch almost every Monday at my catholic school from about 3rd grade on. Sometimes items were brought in (McD's, White Castle, Domino's), but most of the time it was mostaccioli , chicken tenders/nuggets, hotdogs, or other items that could be mass cooked in the Bingo Hall kitchen. The other days were brown bagged, except for on Fridays during Lent, they offered Cheese pizza slices.

Entree, chips, and can of Wildwood Cola for $2. Those were the days.


No 100 calorie packs?

IIRC, we had hot lunch available starting around 5th grade...they would cook it at the Jr High then bring it over...so I guess it was more like lukewarm lunch.

Those weird rectangle cardboard cheese pizzas were always a favorite.

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Those weird rectangle cardboard cheese pizzas were always a favorite.

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Hey, speaking of library-as-weekly-class, did anyone else who went to grade school in the '90s have to deal with the administration giving the school library some dumbass obfuscatory name? Like, we would have each day's schedule written out on the board and one day "IMC" was listed. I asked what "IMC" was. She said it was "the Instructional Material Center." I asked what that was. She said it was the library. I asked why we couldn't call it the library. She said because it's an instructional material center. Remembering this now, I think that conversation as much as anything was what led to the Ritalin prescription.


Media Centers is a term used as well...

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I went to a SBE workshop earlier this year held at Elmwood Park High School. It was heralded as using Marzano's methods and how to become a Standards Based Instruction school. As part of the workshop, the presenters did show ways to shove the square peg of standards based grading into the 100 point A-F grading scale that seemed effortless and met the needs of both groups. Basically there was a way to show how well certain standards were met on the traditional grading scale. A few Chicagoland districts indicated they had switched to this model and the similar complaints were made as made in this thread. The text provided is somewhere in my pile of ed books, but will update this post when I find it (prep period right now).

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my children are homeschooled (9,12,14) and they are not graded. there is material and they learn it. thats it really i guess. they take tests but once the test is done if there are parts they didnt do well at, we just work with thme on those things until they understand them.

obviously on a larger scale its probably necessary to have some level of a grading system for some level of guideline for a student as well as allow colleges to separate the wheat from the chaff but this whole experience has not made me as critical of grades and grading.


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my children are homeschooled (9,12,14) and they are not graded. there is material and they learn it. thats it really i guess. they take tests but once the test is done if there are parts they didnt do well at, we just work with thme on those things until they understand them.

obviously on a larger scale its probably necessary to have some level of a grading system for some level of guideline for a student as well as allow colleges to separate the wheat from the chaff but this whole experience has not made me as critical of grades and grading.

Hopefully your wife handles the spelling parts of the assignments.

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my children are homeschooled (9,12,14) and they are not graded. there is material and they learn it. thats it really i guess. they take tests but once the test is done if there are parts they didnt do well at, we just work with thme on those things until they understand them.

obviously on a larger scale its probably necessary to have some level of a grading system for some level of guideline for a student as well as allow colleges to separate the wheat from the chaff but this whole experience has not made me as critical of grades and grading.

Hopefully your wife handles the spelling parts of the assignments.

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my job is math, science, logic, and sales.

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my job is math, science, logic, and sales.
I believe you left out 'waste management'

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my children are homeschooled (9,12,14) and they are not graded. there is material and they learn it. thats it really i guess. they take tests but once the test is done if there are parts they didnt do well at, we just work with thme on those things until they understand them.

obviously on a larger scale its probably necessary to have some level of a grading system for some level of guideline for a student as well as allow colleges to separate the wheat from the chaff but this whole experience has not made me as critical of grades and grading.

Hopefully your wife handles the spelling parts of the assignments.


Shots fired, by Hawg?!?
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How do you parents out there who have kids in these school districts feel about dropping the grading scale?

https://www.thecollegefix.com/school-di ... ler-model/



It is horrible. Kids dont get grades so they dont care about doing homework or failing a test. I understand the concept of not destroying a kid mentally before he gets to high school because they are stupid as shit but I think it has a terrible effect on the smarter kids. We make our kids do the work but often times they dont turn it in because they dont have to. I guess it is somewhat nice that there is more pressure on the parents and less on the teacher but I dont think this will suddenly make more parents want to be involved in their kids education and those same parents will still blame teachers for their retarded kids.

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Who didn't spend a day in Catholic school? It looks like most of "you people" went to Catholic school.

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Who didn't spend a day in Catholic school?
Caller Bob, but I'm not sure he has spent more than a day in any school.

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Kids dont get grades so they dont care about doing homework or failing a test. I understand the concept of not destroying a kid mentally before he gets to high school because they are stupid as shit but I think it has a terrible effect on the smarter kids. We make our kids do the work but often times they dont turn it in because they dont have to. I guess it is somewhat nice that there is more pressure on the parents and less on the teacher but I dont think this will suddenly make more parents want to be involved in their kids education and those same parents will still blame teachers for their retarded kids.

They should care about the tests, for sure, but would it be the worst thing in the world to have less homework and more tests? Most homework is busy work or grade-padding, not everyone has the home environment or the hours in a day to grind out homework night after night. By middle school, when there's little/no coordination between teachers as to how much homework they're collectively assigning, it gets out of hand. I'm not saying no homework, no grades, but at a point a lot of it just rewards being Good At School. Just make it matter, y'know?

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Who didn't spend a day in Catholic school? It looks like most of "you people" went to Catholic school.



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Kids dont get grades so they dont care about doing homework or failing a test. I understand the concept of not destroying a kid mentally before he gets to high school because they are stupid as shit but I think it has a terrible effect on the smarter kids. We make our kids do the work but often times they dont turn it in because they dont have to. I guess it is somewhat nice that there is more pressure on the parents and less on the teacher but I dont think this will suddenly make more parents want to be involved in their kids education and those same parents will still blame teachers for their retarded kids.

They should care about the tests, for sure, but would it be the worst thing in the world to have less homework and more tests? Most homework is busy work or grade-padding, not everyone has the home environment or the hours in a day to grind out homework night after night. By middle school, when there's little/no coordination between teachers as to how much homework they're collectively assigning, it gets out of hand. I'm not saying no homework, no grades, but at a point a lot of it just rewards being Good At School. Just make it matter, y'know?

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Who didn't spend a day in Catholic school? It looks like most of "you people" went to Catholic school.

o/


the program we adopted for our children has no homework in the sense that there is work to be done after the lessons are over. The lessons themselves contain the work they need to accomplish. The testing enforces their mastery of the subject and you move one with periods of review. I think the concept of homework today exists as a "this is just what you do" practice. Perhaps its because you don't have enough time as a teacher dealing with so many children and i don't have an answer for that.

We did some IT work with a school that had a 8:1 student to teacher ratio and they had a no homework policy.


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Who didn't spend a day in Catholic school? It looks like most of "you people" went to Catholic school.


13 years of Lutheran education=all the Jesus with none of the ruler whacking


My concern was the grading scales in college, where 90-100 is A, 80-90 is B, etc. So 60% score is still a D. Really?


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Who didn't spend a day in Catholic school? It looks like most of "you people" went to Catholic school.


1st through 8th grade. Mom wanted me to go to Catholic High School and I said there's no way that's happening.


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13 years of Lutheran education=all the Jesus with none of the ruler whacking


My concern was the grading scales in college, where 90-100 is A, 80-90 is B, etc. So 60% score is still a D. Really?


i went to private school k-6. grading scale was 100-93A 92-85B 84-77C and so on. when i made it to Jr high and it was the 10 scale holy moly did i think this is easy. took one semester to adjust my rate of care.


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