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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:33 am 
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Rizzo did great in the leadoff spot last year, but I don't know what the team's overall performance or record was in those games. It's possible his excellent individual stats were outweighed by losing him in the heart of the order (plus the fact he's the slowest runner in the league).

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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The Cubs finished last in leadoff OBP last season.
Rizzo made for an effective leadoff hitter but I'd rather have him in the 3 hole with Bryant leading off. Both have good OBP but I think the better run potential is with Bryant on base and Rizzo at the plate v. Rizzo on base with Bryant at the plate.

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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Could be inneresting if Bryant would adjust his extreme uppercut. But that will never happen.

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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Could be inneresting if Bryant would adjust his extreme uppercut. But that will never happen.


He has said as much.

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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The sabermetrics nerds have done their best to denigrate the effectiveness of a good leadoff hitter, but the Cubs offense really struggles to score runs consistently because they have not developed or signed a good leadoff hitter. A contact guy with speed that works counts would seem to be essential to diversify the Cubs home run or nothing lineup. The one thing all Cubs fans have in common is that they greatly overvalue Cubs players. His stats over past few years show a good, not great player.


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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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They've had a feast or famine offense with no ability to take walks and multi-batter OBP deserts. Leadoff man hasn't really been the problem as much as the other stuff...It's just an excuse.

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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All reports point to Bryant leading off, and Rizzo batting 2nd.


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PortageP_Chi wrote:
All reports point to Bryant leading off, and Rizzo batting 2nd.

Breaking news? Source? I haven't heard this anywhere else.

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IMU wrote:
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All reports point to Bryant leading off, and Rizzo batting 2nd.

Breaking news? Source? I haven't heard this anywhere else.


One source I immediately came up with is the Chicago Tribune:

Anthony Rizzo is primarily expected to bat second for the Cubs in 2020. We also know that Kris Bryant will begin the year as the team's leadoff hitter. It is clear that new manager David Ross wants to maximize the at bats of his two best hitters. Javier Baez will likely hit third of fourth most days, which gives Chicago a lot of firepower atop their lineup.


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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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Let me be more clear: I was being facetious. There are multiple threads discussing Kris Bryant leading off that were posted Wednesday.

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IMU wrote:
Let me be more clear: I was being facetious. There are multiple threads discussing Kris Bryant leading off that were posted Wednesday.


I am aware of this, but did not see anything about Rizzo batting 2nd. Ether way, I posted it, if its irrelevant, then just ignore. :D :D


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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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They've had a feast or famine offense with no ability to take walks and multi-batter OBP deserts. Leadoff man hasn't really been the problem as much as the other stuff...It's just an excuse.


And adding a high OBP leadoff man wouldn't help solve the issue of "multi-batter OBP deserts"?


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GoldenJet wrote:
They've had a feast or famine offense with no ability to take walks and multi-batter OBP deserts. Leadoff man hasn't really been the problem as much as the other stuff...It's just an excuse.


And adding a high OBP leadoff man wouldn't help solve the issue of "multi-batter OBP deserts"?


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Clawmaster wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
They've had a feast or famine offense with no ability to take walks and multi-batter OBP deserts. Leadoff man hasn't really been the problem as much as the other stuff...It's just an excuse.


And adding a high OBP leadoff man wouldn't help solve the issue of "multi-batter OBP deserts"?


That would be wonderful.

Bryant
Rizzo
Baez

No problem

Contreras
Schwarber
JHey
Happ/Almora
Inf 4
Pitcher

Problems

Cubs need 7 pretty solid OBP guys to go anywhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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GoldenJet wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
They've had a feast or famine offense with no ability to take walks and multi-batter OBP deserts. Leadoff man hasn't really been the problem as much as the other stuff...It's just an excuse.


And adding a high OBP leadoff man wouldn't help solve the issue of "multi-batter OBP deserts"?


That would be wonderful.

Bryant
Rizzo
Baez

No problem

Contreras
Schwarber
JHey
Happ/Almora
Inf 4
Pitcher

Problems

Cubs need 7 pretty solid OBP guys to go anywhere.


Agreed, it was incredibly frustrating to watch Schwarber, Contreras, Heyward, Happ, and Almora get themselves out by chasing high fastballs last year. The Cubs were pretty easy to pitch to at times because of the complete lack of plate discipline, will Ross get them to take more of a team approach at the plate? How many times last year did these guys fail to make contact with a runner on third and less than two outs? Team will struggle to win 80 games this year unless they take a more disciplined approach at the plate.


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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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This might be the first time in cubbie fan history that they undervalue a white player who came up through their organization.

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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Yelich extension is 7/188. Bryant has to sign for cheaper than that because he ain’t as good . Give him 7/ 150 see if he bites . Yelich contract is a big L for Bryant .

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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Yelich extension is 7/188. Bryant has to sign for cheaper than that because he ain’t as good . Give him 7/ 150 see if he bites . Yelich contract is a big L for Bryant .



I said this last year, KB won't get a 200 million contract, he'll be 29 and he's not as valuable as Yelich.

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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This might be the first time in cubbie fan history that they undervalue a white player who came up through their organization.



Do you think KB is a top 20 position player in MLB?

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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Yelich extension is 7/188. Bryant has to sign for cheaper than that because he ain’t as good . Give him 7/ 150 see if he bites . Yelich contract is a big L for Bryant .


I think Yelich's contract is an aberration, and I don't think it signals a downward trend in player salaries. I can understand why Theo might want to offer Bryant 7/150, but he has zero incentive to take that deal. I think his worst case scenario as a free agent is likely higher than that amount.


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This might be the first time in cubbie fan history that they undervalue a white player who came up through their organization.

Maddox comes to mind. Maybe the second....


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Yelich extension is 7/188. Bryant has to sign for cheaper than that because he ain’t as good . Give him 7/ 150 see if he bites . Yelich contract is a big L for Bryant .


I think Yelich's contract is an aberration, and I don't think it signals a downward trend in player salaries. I can understand why Theo might want to offer Bryant 7/150, but he has zero incentive to take that deal. I think his worst case scenario as a free agent is likely higher than that amount.

I disagree , especially if Yelich’s next two years are anything like he’s been putting up ( which Bryant has never approached ) How can Bryant / Boros then go into free agency and say “ yeah we want 7/ 225 or no deal ? Yelich’s deal is a terrible blow to Bryant’s future contract .

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badrogue17 wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
Yelich extension is 7/188. Bryant has to sign for cheaper than that because he ain’t as good . Give him 7/ 150 see if he bites . Yelich contract is a big L for Bryant .


I think Yelich's contract is an aberration, and I don't think it signals a downward trend in player salaries. I can understand why Theo might want to offer Bryant 7/150, but he has zero incentive to take that deal. I think his worst case scenario as a free agent is likely higher than that amount.

I disagree , especially if Yelich’s next two years are anything like he’s been putting up ( which Bryant has never approached ) How can Bryant / Boros then go into free agency and say “ yeah we want 7/ 225 or no deal ? Yelich’s deal is a terrible blow to Bryant’s future contract .


Time will obviously tell, but I think Yelich's contract was more about him wanting to stay in Milwaukee, for some unfathomable reason, rather than what he could have gotten on the open market. I would be stunned if Bryant doesn't easily clear 150 million.


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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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312player wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
This might be the first time in cubbie fan history that they undervalue a white player who came up through their organization.



Do you think KB is a top 20 position player in MLB?


I think he is but I can't argue that he has played like one in the last two years.

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 Post subject: Re: Kris Bryant?
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This might be the first time in cubbie fan history that they undervalue a white player who came up through their organization.



Do you think KB is a top 20 position player in MLB?


I think he is but I can't argue that he has played like one in the last two years.


I think he'll have a solid year but there are so many young guys that are equal or better than him currently. I don't think he'll be a top 25 player this season. I hate his long upper cut swing and he's soft, no tolerance for pain.

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