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I think my career switch to corner apple salesman is going to work out well.

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Generally I agree, but trump owns the last two days. His stupid lies shake confidence. Maybe he should go back to India and reinforce his at our expense again.

That's just silly. The stupid virus and it's mortality and infection rate shakes confidence.
Confidence is only part of it - The larger problem is the very real issue surrounding trade, travel and other economic concerns. Apple can't make phones, airlines canceling flights, etc. This is negatively affecting any industry that does business with China.

Also, I'm not blaming Trump for this, but his first response during the recent presser was to blame Democrats for the stock market drop rather than the virus. That's just a really strange reaction when he is there to show leadership on the subject.


Agreed. It's what made the crowing over the hollow China trade so ridiculous. People mistaking activity with accomplishment.

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I think my career switch to corner apple salesman is going to work out well.


I'd like to see him try and cut Social Security & Medicare in favor of another military toy or stupid tax cut now.

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An issue democrats have appealing to the broader electorate is their cheerful rooting for economic detonation and the financial ruin of many because they are petulant about not winning an election. This is one sad, sad display.


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An issue democrats have appealing to the broader electorate is their cheerful rooting for economic detonation and the financial ruin of many because they are petulant about not winning an election. This is one sad, sad display.


You know this isn't just a democrat issue.

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It’s great that a thread about the DOW need to me moved to the “Politics” section. SMH.

Copy infringement yo!

Sorry. I’m just bummed because this board has a nice cross section of Americana. I’d like to get different POVs on the virus and the market. But it seems to just devolve into Trump bashing, which is not insightful but is boring. I could turn on MSNBC for that.


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An issue democrats have appealing to the broader electorate is their cheerful rooting for economic detonation and the financial ruin of many because they are petulant about not winning an election. This is one sad, sad display.


You know this isn't just a democrat issue.

It is certainly more pronounced.


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Antarctica wrote:
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An issue democrats have appealing to the broader electorate is their cheerful rooting for economic detonation and the financial ruin of many because they are petulant about not winning an election. This is one sad, sad display.


You know this isn't just a democrat issue.

It is certainly more pronounced.


Positive economic numbers were fake until 2017. An HW like recession was predicted and prayed for in 2012. All sides own this type of stupidity.

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Nas wrote:
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An issue democrats have appealing to the broader electorate is their cheerful rooting for economic detonation and the financial ruin of many because they are petulant about not winning an election. This is one sad, sad display.


You know this isn't just a democrat issue.

It is certainly more pronounced.


Positive economic numbers were fake until 2017. An HW like recession was predicted and prayed for in 2012. All sides own this type of stupidity.

It was never like this and you know it.


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Antarctica wrote:
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An issue democrats have appealing to the broader electorate is their cheerful rooting for economic detonation and the financial ruin of many because they are petulant about not winning an election. This is one sad, sad display.


You know this isn't just a democrat issue.

It is certainly more pronounced.


Positive economic numbers were fake until 2017. An HW like recession was predicted and prayed for in 2012. All sides own this type of stupidity.

It was never like this and you know it.


Recency bias my friend

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Antarctica wrote:
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An issue democrats have appealing to the broader electorate is their cheerful rooting for economic detonation and the financial ruin of many because they are petulant about not winning an election. This is one sad, sad display.


You know this isn't just a democrat issue.

It is certainly more pronounced.


Positive economic numbers were fake until 2017. An HW like recession was predicted and prayed for in 2012. All sides own this type of stupidity.

It was never like this and you know it.

Ohh unfortunately it was. Ebola just never took off. And for that I'm thankful. I'd be thankful more thankful if the current president had taken this issue seriously. He's behind the eight ball. I wish it wasn't true but it is. I remember feeling the same about Katrina. I'm not out to bash any of the president's. I just want to see solid , timely leadership. Hopefully the guy recovers. I'm not interested in a bunch of dead people.


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It’s great that a thread about the DOW need to me moved to the “Politics” section. SMH.

Copy infringement yo!

Sorry. I’m just bummed because this board has a nice cross section of Americana. I’d like to get different POVs on the virus and the market. But it seems to just devolve into Trump bashing, which is not insightful but is boring. I could turn on MSNBC for that.

I hear ya. Had to expect the Dow thing. It is pretty reactionary and it isn't like the world leaders are all working together to figure out how to tackle this thing.

The virus itself is the known unknown as far as I'm concerned.


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Nas wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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truth is the President doesn't matter. Just like managers in baseball.


Generally I agree, but trump owns the last two days. His stupid lies shake confidence. Maybe he should go back to India and reinforce his at our expense again.

That's just silly. The stupid virus and it's mortality and infection rate shakes confidence.
Confidence is only part of it - The larger problem is the very real issue surrounding trade, travel and other economic concerns. Apple can't make phones, airlines canceling flights, etc. This is negatively affecting any industry that does business with China.

Also, I'm not blaming Trump for this, but his first response during the recent presser was to blame Democrats for the stock market drop rather than the virus. That's just a really strange reaction when he is there to show leadership on the subject.


Because he's always worried about himself. Not understanding that just pretending to be presidential helps him.

Where the fuck did that 1200 point decline come from?

From Trump worrying about himself.


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Somebody is shorting the market and making a fortune.

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Somebody is shorting the market and making a fortune.


Yep!

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It's friday, more bad news coming today about the Coronavirus, look for the selloff bloodbath to continue. Of course, I don't know shit...

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If you’re truly a long term person, then your investment plan should remain the same. Timing is just a fool’s game that leads to stress. By dollar cost averaging, you’re getting stocks on sale right now.

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If you’re truly a long term person, then your investment plan should remain the same. Timing is just a fool’s game that leads to stress. By dollar cost averaging, you’re getting stocks on sale right now.



I'm sure there are long term buyers jumping on artificially low prices caused by this drop. Doesn't mean there isn't a fortune being made on the way down.

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If you’re truly a long term person, then your investment plan should remain the same. Timing is just a fool’s game that leads to stress. By dollar cost averaging, you’re getting stocks on sale right now.


Or you’re catching a falling knife.

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I think the climbing begins next week, I'm buying more Nestle today.

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A buddy had calculated it to drop another 28% as of last night.

It's gonna take a miracle cure to raise the bottom.

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It'll hit 30k within 6 weeks

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Denis, is the world ending?


It'll hit 30k within 6 weeks

With all due respect, you're not Jewish, so I'm not listening.


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It'll hit 30k within 6 weeks


I wouldn't be surprised. then all the Trumpists would be claiming is was all the Idiot's doing.

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I read a couple newsletters. They help keep me grounded especially in times like this.

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A Coronavirus Cure-All

Hello, this is Jeff DeMaso with the FFSA Vanguard Hotline for Thursday, February 27.

There are no changes recommended for any of our Model Portfolios.

How quickly things change. Last week, I talked about the stock market’s most recent record high—the 13th high of the year despite the growing spread of the coronavirus across two dozen countries. Well, that was then.

As of Wednesday night, the S&P 500 index has declined in each of the last five trading days—including declines of 3.4% and 3.0% on Monday and Tuesday, respectively—for a total drop of 8.0%. For what it’s worth, the S&P is on pace to extend that losing streak in today’s trading.

So, allow me to put both the 6.3%, 2-day decline we saw on Monday and Tuesday as well as the 8.0%, 5-day drop into perspective.

That 6.3%, 2-day decline ranks as the S&P 500’s 30th worst 2-day run since its March 1957 inception. And it’s been the 46th worst 5-day stretch for the index. So, despite a trying few days for investors and traders, investors have been through worse.

More to the point: If we look at those times when the index fell even harder, those periods tended to presage extraordinary buying opportunities.

Since its inception, the S&P 500 index has averaged a 2.0% gain over all 3-month rolling periods. But after the 29 times, the S&P fell more than 6.3% in two days, and the average 3-month return was 2.5%. The average 3-month gain following a 5-day drop of at least 8.0% was 6.9%. That’s what you call a nice rebound.

And the results are even better if you look out over 12 months with average gains of 19% to 20% following those near-term declines compared to the average of 8.3% over all rolling 12-month periods.

Image

In sum, investors have been rewarded for staying the course through sharp declines or even, dare I say it, putting some cash to work during those declines.

One final stat for you—and you’ve heard this one from me before: In any given calendar year, 500 Index (VFIAX) averages a 13% or so decline. So, a drop of 8.0% isn’t even average. And remember, despite averaging an intra-year decline of 13%, 500 Index has compounded at nearly 11% a year over the last 36 years or so.

Image

The spread of the coronoavirus could get worse before it gets better. And while it appears China is on the mend, we should expect to see infections rise outside of China. The virus is disrupting economic growth in the near-term, but no one knows what the lasting effects will be.

However, I’m confident that we will overcome the virus. It has been less than three months and drug-maker Moderna has created what it believes is a viable vaccine already. That is remarkable.

Stocks will be volatile. The economic data over the next few months will be noisy and will tell the tale of short-term disruption. But as long-term investors, market pullbacks present opportunity for us and the active managers we’ve relied upon to see us through prior market dislocations.

My advice: Behave accordingly. Don’t panic and sell out. Don’t spend your time fretting over the short-term but focus on the long. That’s a cure-all I can heartily recommend.

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I read a couple newsletters. They help keep me grounded especially in times like this.

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A Coronavirus Cure-All

Hello, this is Jeff DeMaso with the FFSA Vanguard Hotline for Thursday, February 27.

There are no changes recommended for any of our Model Portfolios.

How quickly things change. Last week, I talked about the stock market’s most recent record high—the 13th high of the year despite the growing spread of the coronavirus across two dozen countries. Well, that was then.

As of Wednesday night, the S&P 500 index has declined in each of the last five trading days—including declines of 3.4% and 3.0% on Monday and Tuesday, respectively—for a total drop of 8.0%. For what it’s worth, the S&P is on pace to extend that losing streak in today’s trading.

So, allow me to put both the 6.3%, 2-day decline we saw on Monday and Tuesday as well as the 8.0%, 5-day drop into perspective.

That 6.3%, 2-day decline ranks as the S&P 500’s 30th worst 2-day run since its March 1957 inception. And it’s been the 46th worst 5-day stretch for the index. So, despite a trying few days for investors and traders, investors have been through worse.

More to the point: If we look at those times when the index fell even harder, those periods tended to presage extraordinary buying opportunities.

Since its inception, the S&P 500 index has averaged a 2.0% gain over all 3-month rolling periods. But after the 29 times, the S&P fell more than 6.3% in two days, and the average 3-month return was 2.5%. The average 3-month gain following a 5-day drop of at least 8.0% was 6.9%. That’s what you call a nice rebound.

And the results are even better if you look out over 12 months with average gains of 19% to 20% following those near-term declines compared to the average of 8.3% over all rolling 12-month periods.

Image

In sum, investors have been rewarded for staying the course through sharp declines or even, dare I say it, putting some cash to work during those declines.

One final stat for you—and you’ve heard this one from me before: In any given calendar year, 500 Index (VFIAX) averages a 13% or so decline. So, a drop of 8.0% isn’t even average. And remember, despite averaging an intra-year decline of 13%, 500 Index has compounded at nearly 11% a year over the last 36 years or so.

Image

The spread of the coronoavirus could get worse before it gets better. And while it appears China is on the mend, we should expect to see infections rise outside of China. The virus is disrupting economic growth in the near-term, but no one knows what the lasting effects will be.

However, I’m confident that we will overcome the virus. It has been less than three months and drug-maker Moderna has created what it believes is a viable vaccine already. That is remarkable.

Stocks will be volatile. The economic data over the next few months will be noisy and will tell the tale of short-term disruption. But as long-term investors, market pullbacks present opportunity for us and the active managers we’ve relied upon to see us through prior market dislocations.

My advice: Behave accordingly. Don’t panic and sell out. Don’t spend your time fretting over the short-term but focus on the long. That’s a cure-all I can heartily recommend.

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I read a couple newsletters. They help keep me grounded especially in times like this.

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A Coronavirus Cure-All

Hello, this is Jeff DeMaso with the FFSA Vanguard Hotline for Thursday, February 27.

There are no changes recommended for any of our Model Portfolios.

How quickly things change. Last week, I talked about the stock market’s most recent record high—the 13th high of the year despite the growing spread of the coronavirus across two dozen countries. Well, that was then.

As of Wednesday night, the S&P 500 index has declined in each of the last five trading days—including declines of 3.4% and 3.0% on Monday and Tuesday, respectively—for a total drop of 8.0%. For what it’s worth, the S&P is on pace to extend that losing streak in today’s trading.

So, allow me to put both the 6.3%, 2-day decline we saw on Monday and Tuesday as well as the 8.0%, 5-day drop into perspective.

That 6.3%, 2-day decline ranks as the S&P 500’s 30th worst 2-day run since its March 1957 inception. And it’s been the 46th worst 5-day stretch for the index. So, despite a trying few days for investors and traders, investors have been through worse.

More to the point: If we look at those times when the index fell even harder, those periods tended to presage extraordinary buying opportunities.

Since its inception, the S&P 500 index has averaged a 2.0% gain over all 3-month rolling periods. But after the 29 times, the S&P fell more than 6.3% in two days, and the average 3-month return was 2.5%. The average 3-month gain following a 5-day drop of at least 8.0% was 6.9%. That’s what you call a nice rebound.

And the results are even better if you look out over 12 months with average gains of 19% to 20% following those near-term declines compared to the average of 8.3% over all rolling 12-month periods.

Image

In sum, investors have been rewarded for staying the course through sharp declines or even, dare I say it, putting some cash to work during those declines.

One final stat for you—and you’ve heard this one from me before: In any given calendar year, 500 Index (VFIAX) averages a 13% or so decline. So, a drop of 8.0% isn’t even average. And remember, despite averaging an intra-year decline of 13%, 500 Index has compounded at nearly 11% a year over the last 36 years or so.

Image

The spread of the coronoavirus could get worse before it gets better. And while it appears China is on the mend, we should expect to see infections rise outside of China. The virus is disrupting economic growth in the near-term, but no one knows what the lasting effects will be.

However, I’m confident that we will overcome the virus. It has been less than three months and drug-maker Moderna has created what it believes is a viable vaccine already. That is remarkable.

Stocks will be volatile. The economic data over the next few months will be noisy and will tell the tale of short-term disruption. But as long-term investors, market pullbacks present opportunity for us and the active managers we’ve relied upon to see us through prior market dislocations.

My advice: Behave accordingly. Don’t panic and sell out. Don’t spend your time fretting over the short-term but focus on the long. That’s a cure-all I can heartily recommend.

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:lol: No longer Deni$

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