I am not sure why it is so hard for you understand what is being said here. No contending team is giving up very much to the Sox for McCann. It just is not happening.

Their best bet is to trade him for a couple prospects that may eventually be ok. That is it.

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Do you want to trade him for prospects or are you just defining his value?

I would not trade him. I think he is a really good back up to have. He does a great job with the pitchers and defensively. But I guess it depends on what the Sox think about Mercedes. Is he ready to be the regular back up?

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Do we really thing Mercedes is gonna be anything? He is 27yrs old.

Way too risky, IMO. We're on the cusp here. Listen, McCann caught 100 games. But he caught a lot in May, June, July, and August. I agree with Hawk he got worn down. He'll catch 65+ hopefully this year and I really don't expect a drop off offensively. I think he's really valuable. Grandal is good but he isn't the premier catcher and player some here think he is.

Grandal is one of the top catchers in the game. What have you been watching?

Why wouldn't he be anything? The guy can rake. Next to Robert, he had the best minor league stats of all White Sox minor league players. There is a reason why the Sox put this guy on the 40 man roster. He probably, down the road is their DH/C/1B.

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Grandal is coming off a career year. I hope he keeps it up.

Stay out of the liquor cabinet, grandpa.

You do not know anything about what a contending team would do so don't try condescending to me. I say that McCann has value to a contending team in fact a lot of value. He is a very good defensive catcher as well as proving himself to be a good hitter also including some home run power. Those are facts. It is also factual that you severely undervalue the guy. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

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Fuck off.

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I am just not buying a career minor leaguer at the age of 27, is our DH of the future.

That where you and I part company, then, because when a guy is not drafted early or comes out of South America, CUba, or the islands, they must work harder and prove themselves every day in order to make it. This typically takes TIME to do when you get drafted low or have to fight your way through the system in order to succeed. I think that Mercedes has a real chance to be a very productive major league hitter and so does Mendick.

I might be wrong about Mercedes or Mendick for that matter but arbitrarily writing off prospects because of their draft pedigree or age is not a smart idea.

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facts...

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Hope you enjoy that pie in the face!

Where? Certainly the facts are that McCann is a top two way catcher in baseball.

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Last I looked, he's an All Star. And he had 1 bad month, not a bad "second half".

He is not a top two way catcher in baseball.

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Baseball people think that he is. He's considered very much a good two way catcher. In terms of fantasy ratings, Grandal is ranked the #2 and McCann the #12 rated catcher. McCann is not a back-up ranked player.

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Dan Vogelbach was an All Star last year as well. And the Mariners would be lucky to get a post game meal for him.

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Shut your mouth! McCann is gonna net us 2 Ace pitchers!

He is also not a top 6 to 8 catcher as you said

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The only way the Sox are getting real good haul for McCann is if a few things pan out. #1 has to be Mercedes busting thru and making the team. There is a reason why a 27 year old has played nearly 600 minor league games and has not made it to the show yet. #2 is that McCann would have to get off to a great start like he did last year. His stats post AS game were not bad, but not nearly as good as his first half stats. #3 would be that a contending team has a catcher go down for several weeks/months due to injury.

The best value for the Sox is to keep McCann as the backup C. Now if a team calls about him and blows you out of the water with an offer, fine then move him. If the Sox were actively shopping him, the best they could probably hope for would be two A/AA lottery ticket type arms.

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1. Nope! Mercedes is our DH. Gonna hit 40 bombs.
2. You don't know what you are talking about. He is an all star.
3. Everyone wants this guy.

His 2nd half was not entirely bad, but he definitely faded in the entire 2nd half. He still had a few good games in the 2nd half, but his production mid-July to the end of the season was not nearly what it was for the first half.

We have the best tandem at the toughest position. Let's keep it that way. Not getting value for McCann in a trade is nothing but great news to me.

When he was bad sticks out like a sore thumb. He was just awful in July. He had an ops+ of 131 in the 1st half. Was he supposed to maintain that? 106 in August and 106 in September.

It's fine if people want to shit on him because he definitely will have to prove his worth again. I have no problem with it. Just make sure the shit falls where it should.

My intentions are not to shit on him. I think he a fine player. Just not nearly as valuable as hawk thinks. And i think the sox agree with this assessment when they went all in on grandal.

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Trading McCann would be a horrible idea. Unless you can anally violate someone in the process. Which I doubt.

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Hawk has been bullish on Mercedes since last season. Same with Mendick, but he doesn't realize that Mendick seems to be a place holder until Madrigal is on the Sox.

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