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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:41 am 
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What's the over/under on wins? I'm hoping he has a bounce back season this year and can get back some of his form during the start of his 2018 season. 15 wins would be great. Contract ends this season so hopefully he's motivated to try to get another year or two in free agency or from an extension.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:46 am 
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I'm guessing 12 tops.


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I'm guessing 12 tops.

Yeah 12-11, 11-12 something like that ,4.5 ERA . Ain’t gonna be good .

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He will have more wins than any starter in the White Sux.


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He will have more wins than any starter in the White Sux.
Sux on the brain!

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He will have more wins than any starter in the White Sux.


This won't age well.


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If that ends up true, something has gone horribly wrong on south side and/or Lester found some new Flintstones Vitamins

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He will have more wins than any starter in the White Sux.


This won't age well.

Simple Bob. When it absolutely , positively has to be a dumbass thought .

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I don't think Lester will be that great but count on the Sux, being the Sux.


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If he can give them 150 innings and have 20 of his starts be 5 IP 2 R, it will be a positive season for this point in his contract.

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He'll gut out 13 wins

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He'll have a stretch where hes neigh unhittable for 3 or 4 games, at least one of which he'll lose due to circumstances beyond his control. Then he'll have 3 games in a row where he 1, 2, 3s the first 3 innings then lays a 7 run stinker in the 4th.
Maybe he will average just over 5 innings a start.
I'm thinking 11 games to the good if the offense keeps up their end of the deal.
Hes now a #4 on a good rotation.

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He'll have some number of wins and as usual that total will not have any correlation to how well he pitched.

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IMU wrote:
He'll have some number of wins and as usual that total will not have any correlation to how well he pitched.


Yeah, we get it. Wins are team based. Wakka Wakka.

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I'm having a hard time accepting that we've hit the point in his contract where we shouldn't expect more than 4th starter type numbers. Last season was bad, but he had some really good stretches just two years ago where he was getting out of jams with good pitches low and away.

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I'm having a hard time accepting that we've hit the point in his contract where we shouldn't expect more than 4th starter type numbers. Last season was bad, but he had some really good stretches just two years ago where he was getting out of jams with good pitches low and away.


I actually thought he would have hit this point sooner in the contract given the number of innings he has thrown. The Cubs should be thankful if he hits double digit wins this year and send him on his way.


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Still a great signing. Outstanding in 15 and 16. Keuchel is no Lester.


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Peoria Matt wrote:
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I'm having a hard time accepting that we've hit the point in his contract where we shouldn't expect more than 4th starter type numbers. Last season was bad, but he had some really good stretches just two years ago where he was getting out of jams with good pitches low and away.


I actually thought he would have hit this point sooner in the contract given the number of innings he has thrown. The Cubs should be thankful if he hits double digit wins this year and send him on his way.


Same here. Figured he'd lose velocity quicker and not be able to blow away hitters with that rising curve up and in. I also hope Ross has some positive impact on him.

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If the over under is 12, I'll take the over.

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He'll have some number of wins and as usual that total will not have any correlation to how well he pitched.
Jon Lester has a career win% of .638

That tells you everything you need to know about him as he was in the prime of his career.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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He'll have some number of wins and as usual that total will not have any correlation to how well he pitched.
Jon Lester has a career win% of .638

That tells you everything you need to know about him as he was in the prime of his career.

Played for some really great Red Sox teams and Cubs teams.

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And they way he pitched every fifth day was part of the reason that made those teams good.

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He pitched well and the stats reflect that. He played on good teams that also won a lot on those other 4 days with other players that played well and the stats that reflect that.

Stats never lie, but Pitcher record sometimes does. Simple as that. You can't trust it.

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A pitcher's record during part of a season can lie. Over the course of 100, 200+ starts a starting pitcher's record never lies.

Its why Lester wins games at nearly a .640 clip, and Quintana barely squeeks out a .500 W-L.

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So if you had Lester on the Marlins or Mariners over the last 15 seasons, is there a better chance his record would be about .500 or that he would be pitching in 8 postseasons for those teams and winning 3 World Series?

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I think if Lester had 200 starts for either team, he would still have a W-L near .600

Outside of an injury plagued 1-8 2019 campaign, Felix Hernandez was 168-128 over 400 starts for the Mariners.

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I think if Lester had 200 starts for either team, he would still have a W-L near .600

Outside of an injury plagued 1-8 2019 campaign, Felix Hernandez was 168-128 over 400 starts for the Mariners.

Felix Hernandez was a better pitcher, with better statistics, for a worse team, with a lesser career winning percentage that reflects that.

Switch their teams, and their career winning percentages switch with them.

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