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I think Mark Cuban has a point, and idk why JawBreaker hates him so much.

This virus shouldn’t be another opportunity for the billionaires to get more billions.

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That's not the point. It's empty bullshit. If he really meant what he says he could live on $500,000 a year (still WAY, WAY more than most) and spread the rest out. He didn't need a virus to make him do anything. And nobody is stopping him from doing it. But he ain't gonna do it. Because it's bullshit.


And yet you're the biggest trump supporter here. Wyc???

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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.

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If all he is saying is that the government shouldn't bail corporations out so that execs can then take huge bonuses, then yeah, I'm with him.


Maybe it isn't possible. Someone like Dennis might know? But this is the boat they missed on previous bailouts. How do you rescue companies and prohibit the options/bonuses directly that come from them. Those can cause poor strategic decisions with those monies.

As opposed to the strategic decisions that got the company/execs into holding out their hat for handouts? :lol:


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Do you guys disagree with him?



That's not the point. It's empty bullshit. If he really meant what he says he could live on $500,000 a year (still WAY, WAY more than most) and spread the rest out. He didn't need a virus to make him do anything. And nobody is stopping him from doing it. But he ain't gonna do it. Because it's bullshit.


And yet you're the biggest trump supporter here. Wyc???



First, that's not true. And if you think Trump is owned by corporate interests more than Joe Biden, let's just stop the conversation. You're wrong. There's nothing more to say.

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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.

Yes, we are in a crisis. People can't work. They're not being allowed to.


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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.


You just told us a couple days ago that you personally knew a guy who died from this...wyc.

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Kirkwood wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.

Yes, we are in a crisis. People can't work. They're not being allowed to.



Okay. But that's a crisis caused by the reaction to the thing that is supposed to be the crisis. I'll ask my question again.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.

Yes, we are in a crisis. People can't work. They're not being allowed to.



Okay. But that's a crisis caused by the reaction to the thing that is supposed to be the crisis. I'll ask my question again.

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The coronavirus is a woke wet dream. Judging others is the core woke value. This is a great opporrunity on Twitter.

A crisis is upon us. The cause is a separate debate. But crises are when new and/or drastic measures are taken. And it's not like what these people are saying is crazy or absurd.

Why's the little guy being scolded for not having 3 months of savings and then these corporations flooded with income the past 3-5 years crying poor?


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.

Yes, we are in a crisis. People can't work. They're not being allowed to.



Okay. But that's a crisis caused by the reaction to the thing that is supposed to be the crisis. I'll ask my question again.


the nuanced answer actual response to your question: the recent modeling by the experts shows this thing peaking in 2-3 months... we havent even hit the upswing of the bell curve its so early. and the actions taken today will dull the spike in cases.
the CFMB myopic i only look at the current data answer: i only know of one person in self quarantine at the moment and dr. ken's situation


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Kirkwood wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.

Yes, we are in a crisis. People can't work. They're not being allowed to.


Because our "leadership" cut out the safeguard, disregarded science and called it a hoax because Jared and Kellyanne convinced the national idiot to lie about it for six weeks, because, politics. And then people panicked when they watched government flailing and being willfully ignorant.

But it's not his fault and he doesn't take any responsibility for it.

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I'm not sure if you're just trying to argue with me. It seems we're in agreement.

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billypootons wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.

Yes, we are in a crisis. People can't work. They're not being allowed to.



Okay. But that's a crisis caused by the reaction to the thing that is supposed to be the crisis. I'll ask my question again.


the nuanced answer actual response to your question: the recent modeling by the experts shows this thing peaking in 2-3 months... we havent even hit the upswing of the bell curve its so early. and the actions taken today will dull the spike in cases.
the CFMB myopic i only look at the current data answer: i only know of one person in self quarantine at the moment and dr. ken's situation



People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
If all he is saying is that the government shouldn't bail corporations out so that execs can then take huge bonuses, then yeah, I'm with him.


That does seem to be what he's saying.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.

Yes, we are in a crisis. People can't work. They're not being allowed to.



Okay. But that's a crisis caused by the reaction to the thing that is supposed to be the crisis. I'll ask my question again.


the nuanced answer actual response to your question: the recent modeling by the experts shows this thing peaking in 2-3 months... we havent even hit the upswing of the bell curve its so early. and the actions taken today will dull the spike in cases.
the CFMB myopic i only look at the current data answer: i only know of one person in self quarantine at the moment and dr. ken's situation



People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?

LOL. Cuban making empty promises in an attempt to placate the unwashed masses from coming to his doorstep and taking all his shit.

He's scared. He probably should be.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Do you guys disagree with him?



That's not the point. It's empty bullshit. If he really meant what he says he could live on $500,000 a year (still WAY, WAY more than most) and spread the rest out. He didn't need a virus to make him do anything. And nobody is stopping him from doing it. But he ain't gonna do it. Because it's bullshit.


And yet you're the biggest trump supporter here. Wyc???



First, that's not true. And if you think Trump is owned by corporate interests more than Joe Biden, let's just stop the conversation. You're wrong. There's nothing more to say.


I'll take it a step further and say that Biden is way more owned the corporate interests than Trump, if only because Trump only cares about (1) himself/his ego/his perception, and (2) whatever the last person in his office who properly kissed his ass has told him.

The threshold question then, is which do you prefer? It's the same question that was in 2016.


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Hatchet or Jaw, you guys ever see Mark Zandi, the Moody’s economist? He is such a worthless tool. He is a quote whore, so papers always have him weigh in. But he seems to be a hack.

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Hatchet or Jaw, you guys ever see Mark Zandi, the Moody’s economist? He is such a worthless tool. He is a quote whore, so papers always have him weigh in. But he seems to be a hack.


Yeah, he's weak. But Cramer is the worst.

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Hatchet or Jaw, you guys ever see Mark Zandi, the Moody’s economist? He is such a worthless tool. He is a quote whore, so papers always have him weigh in. But he seems to be a hack.


Yeah, he's weak. But Cramer is the worst.


It's been 20 years since I took most "analysts" touted on CNBC or contributors like him seriously.

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People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?
The crisis is out hospital systems being overwhelmed. Hopefully that doesn't happen in the next month and we can return back to normal.

If it does happen then the actions taken were justified because without them the death toll for ALL ages would have been much larger.

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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.



What would you set the over under covid 19 deaths @ in the United States for 2020 to be?

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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.



What would you set the over under covid 19 deaths @ in the United States for 2020 to be?

1500, max.


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312player wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.



What would you set the over under covid 19 deaths @ in the United States for 2020 to be?

Tough to say. A lot of these people dying from corona are already ill and have health issues.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.



What would you set the over under covid 19 deaths @ in the United States for 2020 to be?

1500, max.


I hope you're right

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?
The crisis is out hospital systems being overwhelmed. Hopefully that doesn't happen in the next month and we can return back to normal.

If it does happen then the actions taken were justified because without them the death toll for ALL ages would have been much larger.


Do you think that the way this is being presented might make a person rush to the hospital with a flu-like symptoms when normally they would just stay home and drink lots of fluids and rest? It's self-fulfilling when you're telling everyone it's the end of the world.

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Kirkwood wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.



What would you set the over under covid 19 deaths @ in the United States for 2020 to be?

Tough to say. A lot of these people dying from corona are already ill and have health issues.



Did you read the British model they did for the U.S.?

It's alarmingly high, over a million.

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People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?
The crisis is out hospital systems being overwhelmed. Hopefully that doesn't happen in the next month and we can return back to normal.

If it does happen then the actions taken were justified because without them the death toll for ALL ages would have been much larger.

How? There's no "normal" until there's either a vaccine or herd immunity. We have neither.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.



What would you set the over under covid 19 deaths @ in the United States for 2020 to be?

Tough to say. A lot of these people dying from corona are already ill and have health issues.


Exactly.

How many previously healthy people have died from the virus?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?
The crisis is out hospital systems being overwhelmed. Hopefully that doesn't happen in the next month and we can return back to normal.

If it does happen then the actions taken were justified because without them the death toll for ALL ages would have been much larger.


Do you think that the way this is being presented might make a person rush to the hospital with a flu-like symptoms when normally they would just stay home and drink lots of fluids and rest? It's self-fulfilling when you're telling everyone it's the end of the world.

There would be a lot more if they thought they had to wait 3 days to get a hospital bed if they need it.

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People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?
The crisis is out hospital systems being overwhelmed. Hopefully that doesn't happen in the next month and we can return back to normal.

If it does happen then the actions taken were justified because without them the death toll for ALL ages would have been much larger.

How? There's no "normal" until there's either a vaccine or herd immunity. We have neither.

Sure there is. If hospitals can handle the demand then things can start to get back to normal.

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