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Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.


Someone I knew lived near/knew the woman who died.

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Sure there is. If hospitals can handle the demand then things can start to get back to normal.

If hospitals were struggling to meet demand you dont think all these attention-starved MD's on Twitter, or better yet the whore media, wouldn't be blaring about it non-stop?


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People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?
The crisis is out hospital systems being overwhelmed. Hopefully that doesn't happen in the next month and we can return back to normal.

If it does happen then the actions taken were justified because without them the death toll for ALL ages would have been much larger.


Do you think that the way this is being presented might make a person rush to the hospital with a flu-like symptoms when normally they would just stay home and drink lots of fluids and rest? It's self-fulfilling when you're telling everyone it's the end of the world.


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People get sick. People die. between 2.8 and 3 million Americans die every year. In those years when it's on the high side is that a "crisis"? What if we ran similar models for the flu or for car accidents? Do you think that could be sold as a disaster? Would it be a reason to completely destroy the economy for the foreseeable future and cause 20%+ unemployment?
The crisis is out hospital systems being overwhelmed. Hopefully that doesn't happen in the next month and we can return back to normal.

If it does happen then the actions taken were justified because without them the death toll for ALL ages would have been much larger.

How? There's no "normal" until there's either a vaccine or herd immunity. We have neither.

Sure there is. If hospitals can handle the demand then things can start to get back to normal.

Bullshit. Things can't get back to normal until people and the powers that be accept that getting the virus isn't the end of the world. We are still fearing the fear.


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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.



What would you set the over under covid 19 deaths @ in the United States for 2020 to be?

Tough to say. A lot of these people dying from corona are already ill and have health issues.


Exactly.

How many previously healthy people have died from the virus?


I believe that a 30 something marathon runner died from it. Not sure if he had some health issues but I would generally call a marathon runner healthy.

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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.



What would you set the over under covid 19 deaths @ in the United States for 2020 to be?

Tough to say. A lot of these people dying from corona are already ill and have health issues.


Exactly.

How many previously healthy people have died from the virus?


I believe that a 30 something marathon runner died from it. Not sure if he had some health issues but I would generally call a marathon runner healthy.

Running 26 miles straight seems an unhealthy thing to do. I assume your body would take time to recover and during that time a marathon runner would be vulnerable.


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We are now treating human life as infinitely valuable. Which is kind of weird because we've never done that before.

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We are now treating human life as infinitely valuable. Which is kind of weird because we've never done that before.

It is quite puzzling.


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Kids were dying from it in Wuhan.

There is a video of three dead kid bodies being wrapped up in one body bag because there was a shortage.

I almost wonder if there is an extended exposure risk that is not being reported? Not a reinfection. Something like if you already have it, and are around a great number of people all breathing in and exhaling the virus that could amplify the lethality.

Who knows what the real numbers are?

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Kids were dying from it in Wuhan.

There is a video of three dead kid bodies being wrapped up in one body bag because there was a shortage.

I almost wonder if there is an extended exposure risk that is not being reported? Not a reinfection. Something like if you already have it, and are around a great number of people all breathing in and exhaling the virus that could amplify the lethality.

Who knows what the real numbers are?

Maybe that was from the bleach they sprayed into the air? Or maybe they were the kids of somebody who tried to blow the whistle on the Chinese government?


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Kids were dying from it in Wuhan.

There is a video of three dead kid bodies being wrapped up in one body bag because there was a shortage.

I almost wonder if there is an extended exposure risk that is not being reported? Not a reinfection. Something like if you already have it, and are around a great number of people all breathing in and exhaling the virus that could amplify the lethality.

Who knows what the real numbers are?

Maybe that was from the bleach they sprayed into the air? Or maybe they were the kids of somebody who tried to blow the whistle on the Chinese government?

It prolly was the bleach.

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Nardi wrote:
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We are now treating human life as infinitely valuable. Which is kind of weird because we've never done that before.

It is quite puzzling.


Right? MANY are used to valuing a women's life less than a fertilized egg.

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We are now treating human life as infinitely valuable. Which is kind of weird because we've never done that before.

It is quite puzzling.


Right? MANY are used to valuing a women's life less than a fertilized egg.

No doubt giving birth can definitely kill you.


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Sure there is. If hospitals can handle the demand then things can start to get back to normal.

If hospitals were struggling to meet demand you dont think all these attention-starved MD's on Twitter, or better yet the whore media, wouldn't be blaring about it non-stop?
There are hospitals that are already at capacity based on treating patients with it. We haven't yet reached that stage though but it likely is coming within the next week.

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We are now treating human life as infinitely valuable. Which is kind of weird because we've never done that before.


If it wiped out the nursing homes it would be a mercy to many of the people "living" there.

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GoldenJet wrote:
Nardi wrote:
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We are now treating human life as infinitely valuable. Which is kind of weird because we've never done that before.

It is quite puzzling.


Right? MANY are used to valuing a women's life less than a fertilized egg.


:lol:

You can never turn it off.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
GoldenJet wrote:
Nardi wrote:
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We are now treating human life as infinitely valuable. Which is kind of weird because we've never done that before.

It is quite puzzling.


Right? MANY are used to valuing a women's life less than a fertilized egg.


:lol:

You can never turn it off.


Turn what off?

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Sure there is. If hospitals can handle the demand then things can start to get back to normal.

If hospitals were struggling to meet demand you dont think all these attention-starved MD's on Twitter, or better yet the whore media, wouldn't be blaring about it non-stop?
There are hospitals that are already at capacity based on treating patients with it. We haven't yet reached that stage though but it likely is coming within the next week.

:lol: According to who? The same people who said twice as many people would die every day as the day before?

Try not being full of shit just for once on this issue.


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Antarctica wrote:
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Sure there is. If hospitals can handle the demand then things can start to get back to normal.

If hospitals were struggling to meet demand you dont think all these attention-starved MD's on Twitter, or better yet the whore media, wouldn't be blaring about it non-stop?
There are hospitals that are already at capacity based on treating patients with it. We haven't yet reached that stage though but it likely is coming within the next week.

:lol: According to who? The same people who said twice as many people would die every day as the day before?

Try not being full of shit just for once on this issue.
Elective procedures are being cancelled all around the country. This costs hospitals massive amounts of money. Why would they be doing this?

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Elective procedures are being cancelled all around the country. This costs hospitals massive amounts of money. Why would they be doing this?

Because there is immense political pressure to overreact and cancel everything. Pretty easy answer, try better next time.


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Antarctica wrote:
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Elective procedures are being cancelled all around the country. This costs hospitals massive amounts of money. Why would they be doing this?

Because there is immense political pressure to overreact and cancel everything. Pretty easy answer, try better next time.
No there isn't.

How about this. I predict by Monday afternoon there will be at least 3 areas of the United States with hospitals reporting that they are at or above capacity in terms of ICU beds to treat patients. The early front runners seem to be Washington State, California, and New York though it is likely to start in major population centers. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll bump this on Monday afternoon and admit you were right if it doesn't happen and you do the same if it does.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Elective procedures are being cancelled all around the country. This costs hospitals massive amounts of money. Why would they be doing this?

Because there is immense political pressure to overreact and cancel everything. Pretty easy answer, try better next time.
No there isn't.

How about this. I predict by Monday afternoon there will be at least 3 areas of the United States with hospitals reporting that they are at or above capacity in terms of ICU beds to treat patients. The early front runners seem to be Washington State, California, and New York though it is likely to start in major population centers. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll bump this on Monday afternoon and admit you were right if it doesn't happen and you do the same if it does.

Oh of course they're going to report it. Why not? More money, more attention, more alarmist Twitter threads...this is exactly how mania perpetuates itself.

How many people do you think will actually have died of the corona this time next week?


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.


Someone I knew lived near/knew the woman who died.


Down in Georgia my wife’s company had a case at corporate in Atlanta and now a second case in the plant 100 miles away. Neither employee traveled to the other site. Seems a bit unlucky that 2 of Georgia’s 150 cases happened at the same company 100 miles away.

Or it’s spreading everywhere here and no one can be tested. Total employees for the company is about 20k


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Antarctica wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Elective procedures are being cancelled all around the country. This costs hospitals massive amounts of money. Why would they be doing this?

Because there is immense political pressure to overreact and cancel everything. Pretty easy answer, try better next time.
No there isn't.

How about this. I predict by Monday afternoon there will be at least 3 areas of the United States with hospitals reporting that they are at or above capacity in terms of ICU beds to treat patients. The early front runners seem to be Washington State, California, and New York though it is likely to start in major population centers. Tell me I'm wrong. I'll bump this on Monday afternoon and admit you were right if it doesn't happen and you do the same if it does.

Oh of course they're going to report it. Why not? More money, more attention, more alarmist Twitter threads...this is exactly how mania perpetuates itself.

How many people do you think will actually have died of the corona this time next week?

Oh, so you agree with me that hospitals are going to meet or exceed capacity very soon if they haven't already.

The death rate, especially during the peak of the pandemic, is virtually meaningless. Hospitalization rate is far more important.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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A crisis is upon us.


Is it though? How many people do you know who are sick to the point of requiring hospitalization? I'll ask that of everyone here. Personally, I don't know a single one.


Someone I knew lived near/knew the woman who died.


Down in Georgia my wife’s company had a case at corporate in Atlanta and now a second case in the plant 100 miles away. Neither employee traveled to the other site. Seems a bit unlucky that 2 of Georgia’s 150 cases happened at the same company 100 miles away.

Or it’s spreading everywhere here and no one can be tested. Total employees for the company is about 20k


I've read that it could have been in the U.S. since November or perhaps even earlier. I didn't really think much of it until now but in December I had a really bad cold that caused my lungs to make noises like I had never experienced before. I'm not saying I had COVID-19, but I think it's a possibility.

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The virus I've had didnt seem to hit my lungs quite as hard this year. I tested negative for influenza. They treated me with a round of Z-pack for bronchitis, even though it was likely a virus. I feel pretty good, but cough up goop every so often. My kid and I have basically been giving each other something back and forth since the holidays...although he did test positive for flu-B.

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I've read that it could have been in the U.S. since November or perhaps even earlier. I didn't really think much of it until now but in December I had a really bad cold that caused my lungs to make noises like I had never experienced before. I'm not saying I had COVID-19, but I think it's a possibility.


My brother-in-law had a bad respiratory infection in late January that knocked him on his ass, and he'd had his flu shot. He may have had it.

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I've read that it could have been in the U.S. since November or perhaps even earlier. I didn't really think much of it until now but in December I had a really bad cold that caused my lungs to make noises like I had never experienced before. I'm not saying I had COVID-19, but I think it's a possibility.


My brother-in-law had a bad respiratory infection in late January that knocked him on his ass, and he'd had his flu shot. He may have had it.

Is there a test to see you've had it and recovered?


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