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Looks like Bears just gave Robinson and Patterson the middle finger.

"You wanted a QB!? Here's a QB you schmucks!"

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:52 pm 
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And NOW poor QB play is resulting in Pace trading precious draft capital. :lol:

Fuck this team.

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They got Nick fucking Foles :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Pace is hilarious


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They got Nick fucking Foles :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Pace is hilarious


He's a SB winner!

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Stop talking about 2018.
Why? Why isn't 2018 relevant in the discussion about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky costing the Bears games?

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Better QB play overcomes Nagy's shortcomings. Overcomes injuries. Overcomes poor Oline play. Overcomes Piniero's missed kicks. Overcomes everything.
Your argument now is that QB play is all that matters which is certainly a way to argue against me pointing out two games that Nagy was the #1 reason we lost.

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You keep bringing up Nagy and the Chargers game. I never said Nagy had a good week that week. I did say that better QB play turns that game into a win. Despite ALL of Nagy's mistakes in that game, if Mitch simply protected the football in the fourth quarter and didn't turn the ball over, the Bears win and Pineiro is a non-factor.
Better QB would have Nagy as 38-0 in his career too with two Super Bowl rings.

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Poor quarterback play is the single biggest reason the 2019 Bears missed the playoffs. You have not refuted that yet, because its impossible do to do.
Your initial point was that better qb leads the team to 10-6 rather than 8-8. I pointed out two examples of Nagy's coaching that would also put us at 10-6. One of those games (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky didn't even play.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:18 pm 
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Patterson isn't exactly in a position to be clamoring for a QB.

:lol:

Thats what I thought when I read this

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:19 pm 
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Stop talking about 2018.
Why? Why isn't 2018 relevant in the discussion about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky costing the Bears games?
Because your initial comment that I responded to was about 2019. If you want to talk about 2018, there are plenty of threads to do so.
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Nagy did far more to cost the Bears the playoffs than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did.
Not true. I've outlined this at least twice before.

Nagy did not have a good season at all. Better QB play could have over come his shortcomings and lead to at least two more wins, thus at least one playoff game. For all of the Bears faults last season, if the QB play was better they go 10-6 and make the playoffs. That cannot be argued against.




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Your argument now is that QB play is all that matters
Stop with the bullshit. Stop with the lying. I never said this

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Better QB would have Nagy as 38-0 in his career too with two Super Bowl rings.
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Your initial point was that better qb leads the team to 10-6 rather than 8-8. I pointed out two examples of Nagy's coaching that would also put us at 10-6. One of those games (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky didn't even play.
Wrong. My initial post was that poor QB play was the SINGLE biggest factor that the Bears missed the playoffs, you still haven't refuted this, If anything, you're saying, "Yeah but Nagy!". This is now the fourth time (twice here and at least twice in the Bears section) I have mentioned that bad coaching, bad Oline play, injuries, and missed kicks also hurt the Bears as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:25 pm 
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Wrong. My initial post was that poor QB play was the SINGLE biggest factor that the Bears missed the playoffs, you still haven't refuted this, If anything, you're saying, "Yeah but Nagy!". This is now the fourth time (twice here and at least twice in the Bears section) I have mentioned that bad coaching, bad Oline play, injuries, and missed kicks also hurt the Bears as well.
You personally put the record with better QB play at 10-6. I have explained why Nagy cost them two games which would have put them at 10-6. Also, I pointed out that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was not used correctly by not being able to use his elite running ability outside of one game this year. I apologize for bring up the distant past known as 2018 but (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was running far more often in 2018 and his results were much better both with rushing and passing.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:33 pm 
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Please quote the post where I praised Nagy or absolved him of blame for last season.

Again, you made a post about last season. The 2019 Bears season. I responded to that. If you want to address 2018, there are a number of threads to do so. Your post that I responded to had nothing to do with 2018.

The biggest factor in the Bears being 8-8 as opposed to 10-6 last season was poor QB play. Using only plays and events from the 2019 season, refute that statement, Rick. Go.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Please quote the post where I praised Nagy or absolved him of blame for last season.
Let's make this simple. Did Nagy's poor season knock them out of the playoffs?


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The biggest factor in the Bears being 8-8 as opposed to 10-6 last season was poor QB play. Using only plays and events from the 2019 season, refute that statement, Rick. Go.
Who is being obtuse now? I have pointed out, time and time again, that two games were clearly lost because of Nagy. Your response is that Chase Daniel playing better could have overcome one of those, and that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky could have played better and overcome the incredibly poor coaching decision to kick a longer field goal when it would have been easy to turn it into a higher percentage kick.

You can say QB play could have overcome bad coaching in every single game that has ever been played.

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BRick you shouldn't waste your time discussing the Bears with a bandwagon fan. Let him spend his Sundays in IKEA with his wife.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
The biggest factor in the Bears being 8-8 as opposed to 10-6 last season was poor QB play. Using only plays and events from the 2019 season, refute that statement, Rick. Go.

Still this.


Rick, why do you ignore the two 4th quarter turnovers (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had in the Chargers game that you keep referencing? Could it be that it doesn't fit your narrative so you are being obtuse, as usual, and just pretending that they didn't happen?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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The biggest factor in the Bears being 8-8 as opposed to 10-6 last season was poor QB play. Using only plays and events from the 2019 season, refute that statement, Rick. Go.

Still this.
I did. Nagy lost two games by his coaching that would have gotten them to 10-6 also. Every play from the Raiders game. The failure on the last drive to get a shorter field goal when you easily could have. I used only plays from 2019. As a bonus, add in all the plays Nagy refused to call that let (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky get yards running the ball.


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Rick, why do you ignore the two 4th quarter turnovers (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had in the Chargers game that you keep referencing? Could it be that it doesn't fit your narrative so you are being obtuse, as usual, and just pretending that they didn't happen?
I'm not ignoring it. I never said (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky had a great game. Still though, with 40 seconds left in the game, they took a knee rather than attempt to make it a closer field goal after their season had ended the previous year on a missed field goal. Are you really now arguing that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is more to blame for that loss than Nagy?

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Had the quarterback play been better- had (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky NOT turned the ball over- the Bears would not have been losing and thus never had been in a position to need a FG at the end of the game for the win. Are you really going to argue that poor play calling during the games final seconds is more of a blame than the quarterback turning the ball over twice in the 4th quarter when his team was in the lead?

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Had the quarterback play been better- had (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky NOT turned the ball over- the Bears would not have been losing and thus never had been in a position to need a FG at the end of the game for the win. Are you really going to argue that poor play calling during the games final seconds is more of a blame than the quarterback turning the ball over twice in the 4th quarter when his team was in the lead?

This is where I ask if QB play is all that matters, and you respond that it doesn't, while you continue to argue that basically, QB play is all that matters.

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So you're going to continue to make things up and attribute words to me that I never posted.

Have a good evening, Boilermaker Seacrest.

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