You know...the ones who still think this thing isn't real...
That this isn't an actual global emergency...
That this is just a made up crisis or a "hoax"...


Keep fighting the good fight, people. You'll eventually prove yourself right when you yourself don't die, or even get seriously sick.


In my day to day personal and work life, I'm down to 2 actual people that still think is some overblown, "30,000 people die from the flu every year" thing. That number has gone way down in the last week.....

I'm not sure of the upside of being one of the last holdouts to accepting science and medicine on something like this, but in a strange way...I admire your persistence.

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No one here doesn't believe that this is likely very serious. The "holdouts" just haven't seen anything for the data that tells us that crashing the economy and shutting down the entire country is reasonable.

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Do those people think multi-billion dollar industries like NFL, NBA, MLB, etc voluntarily elect to lose huge amounts of money based on a common flu?
(I'm trying to keep this sports-centric for the discussion)

All of those did some kind of shut down prior to the government stepping in on some major level nationally.

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Again, maybe 1 person here believes it's "the flu" but none of the data we have makes our reactions look reasonable. I haven't checked recently, but I don't believe that we've had 200 deaths out of over 13k Known cases.

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Everyone that I know that I would consider reliable thinks shutting down the economy is an overreaction and this is stupid. I know one person who thinks all this is good but I think she is crazy so...

Its obviously not "the flu" but is also obviously not ebola or whatever else they're trying to sell us.

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They're no longer even mentioning the number who have died. NBC has been watching me for a couple of hours and all I keep hearing is about the 13k cases.

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This virus isn't sports, though. You can't just open the paper tomorrow and see how many yards/deaths the virus gained and then determine whether the virus had a good week.

Look at how many cases/deaths have happened in the last 7 days, with on the local and national level. Then listen to the medical/science people about how that rate is going to accelerate over the next week/month/etc. It's staggering. And the whole "old people are gonna die soon anyway" perspective falls into the group of people that I'm talking about. Dismissing those cases and casualties doesn't make them not exist.

I assume you've taken a stats class or two in your life (probably more) - this shit is real. It's not "the flu" - we have known vaccines and timeframes and medicines for that.

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I haven't heard a medical professional say it's ebola.
I've not talked to anyone who thought it was ebola.

It is it's own separate virus. It's highly contagious. It kills some people.

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Perhaps my way of speaking created some confusion. I know no one is calling it "ebola". What I was trying to say is that it's not particularly lethal but the media and government is trying to sell us on some level of toxicity that simply isnt accurate.

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I assume "toxicity" means how contagious it is.

I don't see this as a media issue, but maybe I consume my media differently.

If my media says (for example)
Day 1 - 15 sick, 0 dead
Day 10 - 150 sick, 3 dead
Day 20 - 450 sick, 10 dead
and so on...
and then look at the projections of doctors and scientists...

and so on....and it's known that we are behind the "wave" of infection of other countries on the other side of the world, we can also make statistical projections based on that in addition to our own numbers:

where is the media (and government) hysteria in that?

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Their model is off based on the fatalities.

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I've got a feeling that by the time this is all said and done we'll look back and say we never should have shut the world economy down over this. Holdout or not that's what I believe.

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They'll counter and say it wasn't worse because we shut everything down. It'll be a frustrating stalemate.

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So at this point, pretty much every leader in all of these fields are agreeing this shit is super serious, so much so that they are willing to risk collapse of their particular field:

Government
Financial/Stocks
Medicine
Science
Education
Sports
Travel
etc

And that goes for the world, not just our country.

If this isn't really that big of a deal, who is making that decision? There is nobody left. Nobody with any actual influence is choosing to make their state/nation/world crippled.

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Everyone appears to be blindly reacting to what others are doing. They fear being responsible for a lot of people dying.

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I'm with you, leather.

I don't understand it either. But I'm not just gonna follow the herd on this.
What the endgame is i do not know. But the numbers arent adding up.

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I mean, some country or industry with leaders so smart should probably jump on this big opportunity.

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Apparently many have. Bunch of legislators selling high.

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But...but....that means they know this shit is serious too...

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The terrorists and their sponsors of 9/11 sold short a lot of stocks. Its partly how they got caught.

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I'm just trying to follow:

You're more than hinting that the current Republican senators are in cahoots with this pandemic in a similar way that the sponsors of 9/11 were in cahoots with bringing down the twin towers?

That's not helping the tin foil part.

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First, Republicans, Democrats, all actors on the same stage playing parts in the same production. No difference.
Second, you're asking who had to gain? I'm saying theres smgains to be made. Financially, selling high, short selling. Secondly, from a sociological standpoint, its interesting to see what populations will tolerate. Frank posted earlier about who would start shooting when we're locked down. Although it was intended to be a smartass post, it raises an interesting question. We all are doing just what they are asking us to do with nary a question.
Again... tank an economy over a couple thousand deaths of previously sick people in a population of billions? Seems like a bit of an over reaction.

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Man...I guess I can't follow.
I don't see how it's some sort of sociological control experiment without somebody pushing the buttons (control).

I cannot figure out who is actually benefitting or gaining more wealth/control/power out of this.

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I don't know either spanky. Honest. The way this has been handled on a global scale is very irresponsible.
Some players made some money. The guys selling just before the crash is the tip of that iceberg. I expect more of those stories to come out. In 6 months we'll hear about plenty of short sellers too.
I know you think its tin foil. But I don't think a lot of global powers really knew what they could get away with until now. You tell me 40 years ago that a flu virus that killed only people who probably would have died from the regular flu would cause global economic shutdowns and I dont think it flies like it does today.
I do not believe that Americans would have tolerated the patriot act 40 years ago. It required a panic.
Today's lockdowns were seeded by 20 years of believing safety trumps liberty.

Now, all that I'm saying.... isnt to say people shouldnt be smart.

But it's much smarter, much more economical, to isolate people that are in at risk demographics than the world population. Why didn't we try that?

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Unfortunately that is hindsight. Even for the leaders in all of those fields. That ship has sailed.

But that doesn't change the fact that this virus is real. It's a rapidly growing disease like we haven't seen in most of our grandparents lifetimes, much less ours. I just don't get the whole disbelief.

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Greta Thunberg is smiling.

We are shut down because we cannot trust each other to do anything that anyone else asks or even tells us to do.

That is the only reason we will be on lockdown.

China doesn't have that problem, because their sense of individual rebellion has been beaten out of them.

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