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Anybody ever read the poems of Dave Winfield?

2-sport star at U of Minnesota.

Interesting read.

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I don't know if it is still true but a few years ago LaSalle County had the 3rd most bars per capita in the country.

You could get a license to put one in your garage.

Graig Nettles had an interesting life story.


I think it is false because I heard 2nd most behind San Diego Co.

Were you a Marquette guy?


I'm from Mendota. It's been 15 years most people have put it together if they care.


Not possible. You said you were 25 minutes from the nearest Pizza Hut, which would have been less than 25 minutes from Mendota to the intersection of 251 and Airport Road in Peru IL, which is where the nearest Pizza Hut was.

Doc, which is what makes time travel possible.


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Mendota had a Pizza Hut...right next to their stoplight.

I didn't say I lived there. I just went to the high school.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Mendota had a Pizza Hut...right next to their stoplight.

I didn't say I lived there. I just went to the high school.


Not for nothing, you did say “I’m from Mendota”.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I don't know if it is still true but a few years ago LaSalle County had the 3rd most bars per capita in the country.

You could get a license to put one in your garage.

Graig Nettles had an interesting life story.


I think it is false because I heard 2nd most behind San Diego Co.

Were you a Marquette guy?


I'm from Mendota. It's been 15 years most people have put it together if they care.


Not possible. You said you were 25 minutes from the nearest Pizza Hut, which would have been less than 25 minutes from Mendota to the intersection of 251 and Airport Road in Peru IL, which is where the nearest Pizza Hut was.

Doc, which is what makes time travel possible.


St. Bede for you?

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Mendota had a Pizza Hut...right next to their stoplight.

I didn't say I lived there. I just went to the high school.


Not for nothing, you did say “I’m from Mendota”.


More descriptive than saying I'm from N.34th Road.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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I don't know if it is still true but a few years ago LaSalle County had the 3rd most bars per capita in the country.

You could get a license to put one in your garage.

Graig Nettles had an interesting life story.


I think it is false because I heard 2nd most behind San Diego Co.

Were you a Marquette guy?


I'm from Mendota. It's been 15 years most people have put it together if they care.


Not possible. You said you were 25 minutes from the nearest Pizza Hut, which would have been less than 25 minutes from Mendota to the intersection of 251 and Airport Road in Peru IL, which is where the nearest Pizza Hut was.

Doc, which is what makes time travel possible.


St. Bede for you?


Uh oh.

Got to go smash the i-pad, be right back.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Anybody ever read the poems of Dave Winfield?

2-sport star at U of Minnesota.

Interesting read.


2 sport star, 3 sport draft pick - remarkable.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Mendota had a Pizza Hut...right next to their stoplight.

I didn't say I lived there. I just went to the high school.


Not for nothing, you did say “I’m from Mendota”.


More descriptive than saying I'm from N.34th Road.


Really working the margins doc, really working the margins.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Anybody ever read the poems of Dave Winfield?

2-sport star at U of Minnesota.

Interesting read.


2 sport star, 3 sport draft pick - remarkable.


Yeah, I had to edit it. I remembered 3 but then a quick Wiki said he only played 2.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
One Post wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I don't know if it is still true but a few years ago LaSalle County had the 3rd most bars per capita in the country.

You could get a license to put one in your garage.

Graig Nettles had an interesting life story.


I think it is false because I heard 2nd most behind San Diego Co.

Were you a Marquette guy?


I'm from Mendota. It's been 15 years most people have put it together if they care.


Not possible. You said you were 25 minutes from the nearest Pizza Hut, which would have been less than 25 minutes from Mendota to the intersection of 251 and Airport Road in Peru IL, which is where the nearest Pizza Hut was.

Doc, which is what makes time travel possible.


St. Bede for you?


Uh oh.

Got to go smash the i-pad, be right back.

You pansies. There's only ONE St. Bede in this state. Go Tigers.


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Went to a wedding in Mendota once.....that was a hee-haw.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball Books
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Went to a wedding in Mendota once.....that was a hee-haw.



Well, it wasn't mine. I didn't get married there.

If you heard the greatest Best Man speech in history, that was me.

George Brett had a more difficult childhood than you'd expect.

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Mendota had a Pizza Hut...right next to their stoplight.

I didn't say I lived there. I just went to the high school.


Not for nothing, you did say “I’m from Mendota”.



I once knew a guy from Mendota. He was a little old man named Michael Ross. He owned a top pacing filly named Incredible Tillie. Mr. Ross was a former vaudevillian who played the violin with his feet. True story.

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 Post subject: Re: Baseball Books
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Mendota had a Pizza Hut...right next to their stoplight.

I didn't say I lived there. I just went to the high school.


Not for nothing, you did say “I’m from Mendota”.



I once knew a guy from Mendota. He was a little old man named Michael Ross. He owned a top pacing filly named Incredible Tillie. Mr. Ross was a former vaudevillian who played the violin with his feet. True story.


Well, first, you know 2.

My brother used to own a horse named Chicago Ed.

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My brother used to own a horse named Chicago Ed.


Now how the hell is it that you never mentioned that before? Chicago gelding out of an Armbro Nesbit mare I believe. He raced in the late 80s/early 90s.

I even found a video of him. Not sure if this is before or after your brother owned him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpj2xjjHjjM

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Went to a wedding in Mendota once.....that was a hee-haw.


I’ve been to local weddings, not Mendota but Princeton, Kewanee and Manlius and they don’t have anything on the ones I attended in the UP.


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My brother used to own a horse named Chicago Ed.


Now how the hell is it that you never mentioned that before? Chicago gelding out of an Armbro Nesbit mare I believe. He raced in the late 80s/early 90s.

I even found a video of him. Not sure if this is before or after your brother owned him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpj2xjjHjjM



I don't know anything about horse racing so I don't think about it a whole lot. I think he probably owned the horse after that but I'll check. That's not him in the video being mentioned as the owner. He owned the horse with 1 or 2 other guys so maybe he did at that time. I texted him to find out.

Crazy you found that video with 89 views.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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My brother used to own a horse named Chicago Ed.


Now how the hell is it that you never mentioned that before? Chicago gelding out of an Armbro Nesbit mare I believe. He raced in the late 80s/early 90s.

I even found a video of him. Not sure if this is before or after your brother owned him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpj2xjjHjjM



I don't know anything about horse racing so I don't think about it a whole lot. I think he probably owned the horse after that but I'll check. That's not him in the video being mentioned as the owner. He owned the horse with 1 or 2 other guys so maybe he did at that time. I texted him to find out.

Crazy you found that video with 89 views.


Your brother's group may have claimed him off the Praters or someone else may have owned him in between. If I remember correctly he was a hard-knocking horse that raced a lot.

The horse's trainer at the time of the video (the guy with the mustache in the winner's circle) is Herb Kroninger. He was involved in the Richard Bailey-Helen Brach thing somehow. I don't remember exactly what he did. I'm not saying he was a murderer or even that he killed horses for insurance but he was involved somehow. The cute girl is Kathie McMahon. She was a lawyer and I think Herb's much younger girlfriend for awhile.

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I remember him saying something about a claims race but I didn't understand it - if he bought the horse that way or what.

I think he sold it that way. If the horse finishes a certain way, it's automatically sold or something?

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I remember him saying something about a claims race but I didn't understand it - if he bought the horse that way or what.

I think he sold it that way. If the horse finishes a certain way, it's automatically sold or something?


A horse like that is usually going to be entered in a claiming race. That means the race has a price tag. For example in a $10,000 claimer every horse in the race can be claimed, i.e. bought, for $10,000. There are usually allowances for younger horses. Three year olds might get a 25% allowance so if a 3yo is in a 10 claimer you'd have to pay $12,500 for him.

You put in the claim in before the race. Any purse money the horse wins goes to the current owner. The horse belongs to the new owner after the race. If the horse dies or breaks down during the race the new owner is on the hook.

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George Brett had a more difficult childhood than you'd expect.


I went to "George Brett Night" in Kaufmann Stadium many years ago. (My sister-in-law was a fan.) I loved the fans in KC; they were very friendly. My brother and sister-in-law are teetotalers, and so during the fifth inning or something I went to the restroom to talk the game over with my one-hitter. On the way, a guy inquired about my Sox hat, and we got to talking. Apparently, Brett's dad was worse than Jimmy Piersall's.

Rush Limbaugh was the guy who introduced Brett that night.

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I remember him saying something about a claims race but I didn't understand it - if he bought the horse that way or what.

I think he sold it that way. If the horse finishes a certain way, it's automatically sold or something?


A horse like that is usually going to be entered in a claiming race. That means the race has a price tag. For example in a $10,000 claimer every horse in the race can be claimed, i.e. bought, for $10,000. There are usually allowances for younger horses. Three year olds might get a 25% allowance so if a 3yo is in a 10 claimer you'd have to pay $12,500 for him.

You put in the claim in before the race. Any purse money the horse wins goes to the current owner. The horse belongs to the new owner after the race. If the horse dies or breaks down during the race the new owner is on the hook.


It's been almost 30 years but now that you describe it, I seem to recall they sold it like that. He was quite happy so I'm guessing the horse did well in the race so he got the purse money and he didn't have to deal with the horse and fees any longer.

His profession is such that it isn't great to be associated with gambling and the local newspaper put his picture on the front page with the story about the horse. He wasn't pleased. So, I think he was pretty happy to be out of the business.

I did text him, though. I'll let you know.

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Anybody ever read the poems of Dave Winfield?
Interesting read.


Wait, really? Shoot me a link if serious. There is this, though:

"Empathy for David Winfield"

Now I feel good when Dave Winfield
throws his bat and it goes spinning
toward the pitcher and looks
intentional to some amateurish to others
but certainly dangerous and loosened,
“reckless passionate perhaps innocent.”
This was my style
the style of the thrown bat
the style of Ryne Duren
blinded with drink as he later confessed
deranged in all the senses
as he threw balls out of the stadium
behind the batter's head
the impossible pitcher
with an underhand of symbolic force
a pitcher who could only hope
to see the batter
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No, not serious. I was just trying to keep your thread on-topic.

I was as surprised as anyone that George Brett really did have a difficult childhood.

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Oh for God's sake.

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No, not serious. I was just trying to keep your thread on-topic. I was as surprised as anyone that George Brett really did have a difficult childhood.

Oh, ok! Well, Alex English was a poet, so you never know.
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Rush Limbaugh was the guy who introduced Brett that night.

Oh for God's sake.

What do you mean?


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No, not serious. I was just trying to keep your thread on-topic. I was as surprised as anyone that George Brett really did have a difficult childhood.

Oh, ok! Well, Alex English was a poet, so you never know.
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Rush Limbaugh was the guy who introduced Brett that night.

Oh for God's sake.

What do you mean?


Hatchet doesn't know that the history of Brett/Limbaugh far predates Limbaugh's radio career.

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don't know don't care. anybody that associates with that guy is dead to me.


Sure you care.

That's why you responded.

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