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The new Abbott test should be at every airport and anyone who comes into this country from Asia should be have to take it and wait for results in customs. Pass the cost onto the traveler. I mean, this is a slam dunk right?


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It's just fucking insane that after 911 we have dedicated billions in implementing TSA and hassles to the travelers,...you spend whatever the fuck you need to to keep the next bio-shit that lands on some Chinamen's shoe out of this country.


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The new Abbott test should be at every airport and anyone who comes into this country from Asia should be have to take it and wait for results in customs. Pass the cost onto the traveler. I mean, this is a slam dunk right?

Fine with this for Singapore, ROK, Taiwan, HK (as long as HK remains independent at least), Japan etc. but Chinese people flat out should not allowed in the United States (or really anywhere) unless they are personally invited. Isolate them entirely.


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I said it in the other thread and I'll say it in this one.

That shit was sent to those countries because it was faulty. This is how they operate.


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I said it in the other thread and I'll say it in this one.

That shit was sent to those countries because it was faulty. This is how they operate.


Do you think the 170 faulty ventilators sent by Trump to California was done on purpose?

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I said it in the other thread and I'll say it in this one.

That shit was sent to those countries because it was faulty. This is how they operate.


Do you think the 170 faulty ventilators sent by Trump to California was done on purpose?

The diseased liberal mind defends Communist China against all attacks.


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I said it in the other thread and I'll say it in this one.

That shit was sent to those countries because it was faulty. This is how they operate.


Do you think the 170 faulty ventilators sent by Trump to California was done on purpose?


Trump personally inspected and sent ventilators? He doesn't seem qualified for that.

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The new Abbott test should be at every airport and anyone who comes into this country from Asia should be have to take it and wait for results in customs. Pass the cost onto the traveler. I mean, this is a slam dunk right?



Yes

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I said it in the other thread and I'll say it in this one.

That shit was sent to those countries because it was faulty. This is how they operate.


Do you think the 170 faulty ventilators sent by Trump to California was done on purpose?



Yes, he probably tampered with them himself.

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China was being dealt with before Corona, or at least there was an attempt to, much to the consternation of democrats.


Activity isn't the same thing as accomplishment.

Activity is more than we EVER had before. You need activity before you have accomplishment.


Short term it appears that we were "losing" and Xi has the ability to wait out any administration.

I'm not saying that the mostly lip service of other presidents were great. I'm simply saying that we generally only judge presidents on success.

Can't fuck with a limp dick. Which is what we have now. It's funny to me that so MANY want to fuck with a limp dick when 6 months ago they didn't want to with a iron rod.


China can be dealt with as long as our country is willing to make some real sacrifices.

This past week wasn't the best example, but there is still plenty of time.

Everyone now knows the end game. Which wasn't the case even a month ago.


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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.

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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.

Fucking with China during a recession would be fucking ourselves. The trade deficit last year was $345 billion. It would take a decade with a good economy to get self sufficient.


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Nardi wrote:
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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.

Fucking with China during a recession would be fucking ourselves. The trade deficit last year was $345 billion. It would take a decade with a good economy to get self sufficient.


I have no idea how long it would take but I think a positive that may come out of all of this shit will be the philosophy that this country needs to be able to not only defend itself from military attacks but also to defend itself much better against this kind of attack by countries that are pretty much our enemy. Fortunately Trump had already taken actions to look for other suppliers to provide the US and the rest of the world the products which we need including drug suppliers.

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Nas wrote:
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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.



I don't even know what a hot war with China would look like. Probably the end of the world. And I don't really believe this was a purposeful biological attack. I think someone got sloppy at that lab or maybe the lab sold dead animals that they used for experiments to one of those markets. I think China itself is taking the worst of it and lying about it. That's bad enough though. The more information the better when it comes to fighting this thing.

Whatever, we have to play nice with China for the time being, but I think after this virus is under control we can move toward isolating them and we can pressure Europe if need be. I don't think too much pressure is really necessary. I have to believe that no one is happy with China as their economies crash and their citizens die.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.



I don't even know what a hot war with China would look like. Probably the end of the world. And I don't really believe this was a purposeful biological attack. I think someone got sloppy at that lab or maybe the lab sold dead animals that they used for experiments to one of those markets. I think China itself is taking the worst of it and lying about it. That's bad enough though. The more information the better when it comes to fighting this thing.

Whatever, we have to play nice with China for the time being, but I think after this virus is under control we can move toward isolating them and we can pressure Europe if need be. I don't think too much pressure is really necessary. I have to believe that no one is happy with China as their economies crash and their citizens die.

That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.


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Well it'll be interesting to see what happens with Huawei in Germany. They were on the verge of stopping short of a total ban before this hit, China of course warned "consequences" if Germany didn't draft PRC-written legislation. I expect there will be a ton of reassessing that relationship very soon.

But at the end of the day they are occupied territory. Itlay, UK, Greece, Germany, Belgium, Poland and Turkey house American military bases. They will do what they are told, though I suspect it wont take much strong-armed to get them in line.


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I don't even know what a hot war with China would look like. Probably the end of the world. And I don't really believe this was a purposeful biological attack. I think someone got sloppy at that lab or maybe the lab sold dead animals that they used for experiments to one of those markets. I think China itself is taking the worst of it and lying about it. That's bad enough though. The more information the better when it comes to fighting this thing.

Whatever, we have to play nice with China for the time being, but I think after this virus is under control we can move toward isolating them and we can pressure Europe if need be. I don't think too much pressure is really necessary. I have to believe that no one is happy with China as their economies crash and their citizens die.


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That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.

Sure it does. The German and American industrial heartlands are more than capable of sustaining the planet. It just means an end to conspicuous consumerism. No more $250 43" 4K HDTV.


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That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.

Sure it does. The German and American industrial heartlands are more than capable of sustaining the planet. It just means an end to conspicuous consumerism. No more $250 43" 4K HDTV.


China: good at quantity, horrible at quality.

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That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.

Sure it does. The German and American industrial heartlands are more than capable of sustaining the planet. It just means an end to conspicuous consumerism. No more $250 43" 4K HDTV.

Are you taking into account we are in for some very difficult economic times?

China could give 2 shits how many of their people gack. They will just go get the country folk and drag them into the factories, while here, we won't have a pot to piss in, nevermind standing up to anybody.


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That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.

Sure it does. The German and American industrial heartlands are more than capable of sustaining the planet. It just means an end to conspicuous consumerism. No more $250 43" 4K HDTV.

Are you taking into account we are in for some very difficult economic times?

China could give 2 shits how many of their people gack. They will just go get the country folk and drag them into the factories, while here, we won't have a pot to piss in, nevermind standing up to anybody.

Nothing like a little saber ratting and defense spending to give the economy a boost. What do you think brought the country out of the Great Depression? You dont actually believe it was FDR's policies...right?

We can all the economic benefits of a global war without ever having a fire a shot. Hand out some enlistment bonuses, lie down a few carrier keels, crank up production of all the trucks and cargo aircraft needed to logistically support an amped-up global military presence. That'll pull us right out of it.


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That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.

Sure it does. The German and American industrial heartlands are more than capable of sustaining the planet. It just means an end to conspicuous consumerism. No more $250 43" 4K HDTV.

Are you taking into account we are in for some very difficult economic times?

China could give 2 shits how many of their people gack. They will just go get the country folk and drag them into the factories, while here, we won't have a pot to piss in, nevermind standing up to anybody.

Nothing like a little saber ratting and defense spending to give the economy a boost. What do you think brought the country out of the Great Depression? You dont actually believe it was FDR's policies...right?

We can all the economic benefits of a global war without ever having a fire a shot. Hand out some enlistment bonuses, lie down a few carrier keels, crank up production of all the trucks and cargo aircraft needed to logistically support an amped-up global military presence. That'll pull us right out of it.

Policies helped in keeping the country from anarchy. Yes, war got us out of the depression. Cost us 400,000 lives though.


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Ok I guess that's it lets just succumb to one of the amoral regimes in world history because we cannot go without cheap shit from Walmart.


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Ok I guess that's it lets just succumb to one of the amoral regimes in world history because we cannot go without cheap shit from Walmart.


I mean we could easily also get cheap labor from Mexico and South America. There are some dirty industries we probably don't want back.

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Ok I guess that's it lets just succumb to one of the amoral regimes in world history because we cannot go without cheap shit from Walmart.

Just saying it takes time and it takes more time with our economy in the shitter. We just can't fall out of bed one morning and cut off $600 billion


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Ok I guess that's it lets just succumb to one of the amoral regimes in world history because we cannot go without cheap shit from Walmart.


I mean we could easily also get cheap labor from Mexico and South America. There are some dirty industries we probably don't want back.

Too fractured and politically unstable. There will be no replacing China, we will just have to make do without.


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Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.



I don't even know what a hot war with China would look like. Probably the end of the world. And I don't really believe this was a purposeful biological attack. I think someone got sloppy at that lab or maybe the lab sold dead animals that they used for experiments to one of those markets. I think China itself is taking the worst of it and lying about it. That's bad enough though. The more information the better when it comes to fighting this thing.

Whatever, we have to play nice with China for the time being, but I think after this virus is under control we can move toward isolating them and we can pressure Europe if need be. I don't think too much pressure is really necessary. I have to believe that no one is happy with China as their economies crash and their citizens die.

That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.



It does change over time with folks committed to doing it though. Which is exactly what Trump was trying to do.

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Seacrest wrote:
Nardi wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.



I don't even know what a hot war with China would look like. Probably the end of the world. And I don't really believe this was a purposeful biological attack. I think someone got sloppy at that lab or maybe the lab sold dead animals that they used for experiments to one of those markets. I think China itself is taking the worst of it and lying about it. That's bad enough though. The more information the better when it comes to fighting this thing.

Whatever, we have to play nice with China for the time being, but I think after this virus is under control we can move toward isolating them and we can pressure Europe if need be. I don't think too much pressure is really necessary. I have to believe that no one is happy with China as their economies crash and their citizens die.

That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.



It does change over time with folks committed to doing it though. Which is exactly what Trump was trying to do.


The criticism they are taking for the shoddy PPE equipment and their talk of withholding pharmaceuticals are opening a lot of people's eyes.

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