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Ok I guess that's it lets just succumb to one of the amoral regimes in world history because we cannot go without cheap shit from Walmart.


I mean we could easily also get cheap labor from Mexico and South America. There are some dirty industries we probably don't want back.

Too fractured and politically unstable. There will be no replacing China, we will just have to make do without.


If we wanted to use it for such purposes I would assume we would control it as a proxy state. Or at least the parts with industry.

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China has lost the United States, almost certainly. The democrats may love the PRC, but they love getting elected more. They'll have to get over their infatuation with communist China if they ever want to win. That even means kinda admitting Trump was right to be so adversarial with China all along, which they may never do but that'll be their loss.

China's neighbours too are very eager to cut off the PRC. ROK and Japan really hate China. Taiwan for obvious reasons has been waiting for this moment its entire existence.

I really dont get why China is fucking with Europe sending them shoddy supplies and the wrong stuff on purpose. It doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense unless they expected their European media puppets to bury the stories, but that's not happening (at least in the French press).


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China has lost the United States, almost certainly. The democrats may love the PRC, but they love getting elected more. They'll have to get over their infatuation with communist China if they ever want to win. That even means kinda admitting Trump was right to be so adversarial with China all along, which they may never do but that'll be their loss.

China's neighbours too are very eager to cut off the PRC. ROK and Japan really hate China. Taiwan for obvious reasons has been waiting for this moment its entire existence.

I really dont get why China is fucking with Europe sending them shoddy supplies and the wrong stuff on purpose. It doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense unless they expected their European media puppets to bury the stories, but that's not happening (at least in the French press).


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All Joe Biden has to say is "I want Trump out of office and I disagree with him on everything, but Trump was right about China. As president I will even tougher on China than he was" and bam, he's in business. His campaign gets kicked into overdrive and he does what's right for the country and world by making it clear the combined American military might will be pushed against China.

But he wont do that because at the end of the day democrats still prefer communist China to Donald Trump, which is fucking insane.


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All Joe Biden has to say is "I want Trump out of office and I disagree with him on everything, but Trump was right about China. As president I will even tougher on China than he was" and bam, he's in business. His campaign gets kicked into overdrive and he does what's right for the country and world by making it clear the combined American military might will be pushed against China.

But he wont do that because at the end of the day democrats still prefer communist China to Donald Trump, which is fucking insane.


This is spot on, and it will never happen.


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All Joe Biden has to say is "I want Trump out of office and I disagree with him on everything, but Trump was right about China. As president I will even tougher on China than he was" and bam, he's in business. His campaign gets kicked into overdrive and he does what's right for the country and world by making it clear the combined American military might will be pushed against China.

But he wont do that because at the end of the day democrats still prefer communist China to Donald Trump, which is fucking insane.

Trump’s 3 most beloved world leaders are Putin, Xi and Kim Jong-un but it’s the Dems that love the commies. Got it.

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Been screeching about Russia for four years, why stop now eh?


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Russia hasn't been relevant since 1990. Even Obama said so.


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All Joe Biden has to say is "I want Trump out of office and I disagree with him on everything, but Trump was right about China. As president I will even tougher on China than he was" and bam, he's in business. His campaign gets kicked into overdrive and he does what's right for the country and world by making it clear the combined American military might will be pushed against China.

But he wont do that because at the end of the day democrats still prefer communist China to Donald Trump, which is fucking insane.

Trump’s 3 most beloved world leaders are Putin, Xi and Kim Jong-un but it’s the Dems that love the commies. Got it.



I take that you actually believe that's true. That being the case I understand your position.

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All Joe Biden has to say is "I want Trump out of office and I disagree with him on everything, but Trump was right about China. As president I will even tougher on China than he was" and bam, he's in business. His campaign gets kicked into overdrive and he does what's right for the country and world by making it clear the combined American military might will be pushed against China.

But he wont do that because at the end of the day democrats still prefer communist China to Donald Trump, which is fucking insane.

Trump’s 3 most beloved world leaders are Putin, Xi and Kim Jong-un but it’s the Dems that love the commies. Got it.



I take that you actually believe that's true. That being the case I understand your position.


Apparently someone doesn't know what the word beloved means.

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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.



I don't even know what a hot war with China would look like. Probably the end of the world. And I don't really believe this was a purposeful biological attack. I think someone got sloppy at that lab or maybe the lab sold dead animals that they used for experiments to one of those markets. I think China itself is taking the worst of it and lying about it. That's bad enough though. The more information the better when it comes to fighting this thing.

Whatever, we have to play nice with China for the time being, but I think after this virus is under control we can move toward isolating them and we can pressure Europe if need be. I don't think too much pressure is really necessary. I have to believe that no one is happy with China as their economies crash and their citizens die.

That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.


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All Joe Biden has to say is "I want Trump out of office and I disagree with him on everything, but Trump was right about China. As president I will even tougher on China than he was" and bam, he's in business. His campaign gets kicked into overdrive and he does what's right for the country and world by making it clear the combined American military might will be pushed against China.

But he wont do that because at the end of the day democrats still prefer communist China to Donald Trump, which is fucking insane.


This is spot on, and it will never happen.



He spent a chunk of a debate criticizing Bernie for being cozy with China and others and saying that he'll be "tough" on them.

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All Joe Biden has to say is "I want Trump out of office and I disagree with him on everything, but Trump was right about China. As president I will even tougher on China than he was" and bam, he's in business. His campaign gets kicked into overdrive and he does what's right for the country and world by making it clear the combined American military might will be pushed against China.

But he wont do that because at the end of the day democrats still prefer communist China to Donald Trump, which is fucking insane.

Trump’s 3 most beloved world leaders are Putin, Xi and Kim Jong-un but it’s the Dems that love the commies. Got it.


Even while China was in the process of killing thousands of Americans he was siding with Xi and saying they had it under control. Even though MILLIONS of Chinese people may be missing.

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Trump’s 3 most beloved world leaders are Putin, Xi and Kim Jong-un but it’s the Dems that love the commies. Got it.


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People who think this came from eating bats should be quarantined.



Yeah, best case it was a mistake in a lab. But it could be more malicious than that. Especially if you're telling me, as so many in the Western media are, that China is suddenly back to work and has no new cases.


As much as I say "nuke" China, I realize that a traditional or even cyber war with them probably wouldn't go well for us. Even an economic war requires the cooperation and sacrifice of other governments. I don't think that we can count on that.



I don't even know what a hot war with China would look like. Probably the end of the world. And I don't really believe this was a purposeful biological attack. I think someone got sloppy at that lab or maybe the lab sold dead animals that they used for experiments to one of those markets. I think China itself is taking the worst of it and lying about it. That's bad enough though. The more information the better when it comes to fighting this thing.

Whatever, we have to play nice with China for the time being, but I think after this virus is under control we can move toward isolating them and we can pressure Europe if need be. I don't think too much pressure is really necessary. I have to believe that no one is happy with China as their economies crash and their citizens die.

That's all well and good but China has spent a couple decades successfully becoming the industrial machine FOR the world. That doesn't change overnight.


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The US going without rare earth elements for even a week would fuck us pretty good.


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Canada, Australia and the USA's own damn soil contain plenty of them to do whatever we want.


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That's good to see. I'm glad it's getting out that China is full of shit
That's the tweet Hillary should have made. Not the america first one.

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China has lost the United States, almost certainly. The democrats may love the PRC, but they love getting elected more. They'll have to get over their infatuation with communist China if they ever want to win. That even means kinda admitting Trump was right to be so adversarial with China all along, which they may never do but that'll be their loss.

China's neighbours too are very eager to cut off the PRC. ROK and Japan really hate China. Taiwan for obvious reasons has been waiting for this moment its entire existence.

I really dont get why China is fucking with Europe sending them shoddy supplies and the wrong stuff on purpose. It doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense unless they expected their European media puppets to bury the stories, but that's not happening (at least in the French press).


I guess when the Chi Coms start deliberately killing your citizens and the citizens know about it, governments can't hide the shit anymore. Prior to this time, it was the bribes that China was paying to leaders and corporate moguls all over the world that covered what China was really doing up for a long time. Now the cats out of the bag(or maybe it was bats or snakes out of the bag) and the people are rightly pissed and demanding that China get punished.

As long as the US has the biggest baddest armed forces in the world and the best economy in front of that military, the other countries in the world do not have to fear China. Watch Taiwan and Indochina and Vietnam take off in the market along with of course, Japan. NOt only that, but what no one has talked at all about is what N. Korea will do with its only "friend" China back on its heels economically?

When the dust settles a bit with this virus, I await Trump's next move with Russia. I see a couple of big trade deals with them and an easing of sanctions. Russia is no real friend to China either.

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All Joe Biden has to say is "I want Trump out of office and I disagree with him on everything, but Trump was right about China. As president I will even tougher on China than he was" and bam, he's in business. His campaign gets kicked into overdrive and he does what's right for the country and world by making it clear the combined American military might will be pushed against China.

But he wont do that because at the end of the day democrats still prefer communist China to Donald Trump, which is fucking insane.

Trump’s 3 most beloved world leaders are Putin, Xi and Kim Jong-un but it’s the Dems that love the commies. Got it.


I guess he gives the most "beloved" the hardest trade sanctions in the world because he loves them so much? Do you actually have a brain in your head to come up with this shit?

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I don't even know what a hot war with China would look like. Probably the end of the world. And I don't really believe this was a purposeful biological attack. I think someone got sloppy at that lab or maybe the lab sold dead animals that they used for experiments to one of those markets. I think China itself is taking the worst of it and lying about it. That's bad enough though. The more information the better when it comes to fighting this thing.

Whatever, we have to play nice with China for the time being, but I think after this virus is under control we can move toward isolating them and we can pressure Europe if need be. I don't think too much pressure is really necessary. I have to believe that no one is happy with China as their economies crash and their citizens die.


Seriously.

Yeah....THIS, except the part about too much pressure being necessary.
When the dust settles, the US, Europe, Japan and the other UN type countries needs to stand up and make some serious changes. Sadly, I don't think it will happen.

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can we covertly assist with a coup or some type of uprising to get Xi out of there and hopefully get some other form of government that might be slightly better for us? might as well do it right now while the economy is already in the shitter


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That's good to see. I'm glad it's getting out that China is full of shit
That's the tweet Hillary should have made. Not the america first one.



I utterly despise Ted Cruz but his statement is 100% correct.

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That's good to see. I'm glad it's getting out that China is full of shit
That's the tweet Hillary should have made. Not the america first one.
I utterly despise Ted Cruz but his statement is 100% correct.
Most of the American media is like Ogie. They want the doom and gloom. They want the fear. They want the deaths to an extent. All of that equals ratings. And then they get to further control the narrative.

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That's good to see. I'm glad it's getting out that China is full of shit
That's the tweet Hillary should have made. Not the america first one.
I utterly despise Ted Cruz but his statement is 100% correct.
Most of the American media is like Ogie. They want the doom and gloom. They want the fear. They want the deaths to an extent. All of that equals ratings. And then they get to further control the narrative.


What does any of that have to do with China willingly passing out bogus numbers and the media repeating them as facts?

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:? I literally just explained all of that. The media wants the doom and gloom. They want the panic. They want the "USA has more cases than China" scroll at the bottom of the screens. So they take a Chinese reported fact and run with it.

Why do you think the media hasn't questioned the authenticity of China's numbers?

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Canada, Australia and the USA's own damn soil contain plenty of them to do whatever we want.


Yep and also Mexico has an operation going on right now in a couple of its states looking to mine rare earth.

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The US going without rare earth elements for even a week would fuck us pretty good.

I dont know. Id just want to celebrate that .

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So are we going to nuke China or not?


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The US going without rare earth elements for even a week would fuck us pretty good.

I dont know. Id just want to celebrate that .


Um....Why pray tell is that?

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