They can't, and I am going insane trying to work with my son.

A few colleagues had mentioned they were signing up for free Zoom accounts. I went in and read their "Terms of Agreement" stuff and then called my buddy who is one of the IT people for our district. Within an hour we received an email from the Tech Dept. saying to only use Google Meet and not zoom...below is copy of the Zoom policy.

[i]Collection of your Personal Data

Whether you have Zoom account or not, we may collect Personal Data from or about you when you use or otherwise interact with our Products. We may gather the following categories of Personal Data about you:

Information commonly used to identify you, such as your name, user name, physical address, email address, phone numbers, and other similar identifiers
Information about your job, such as your title and employer
Credit/debit card or other payment information
Facebook profile information (when you use Facebook to log-in to our Products or to create an account for our Products)
General information about your product and service preferences
Information about your device, network, and internet connection, such as your IP address(es), MAC address, other device ID (UDID), device type, operating system type and version, and client version
Information about your usage of or other interaction with our Products (“Usage Information”)
Other information you upload, provide, or create while using the service ("Customer Content"), as further detailed in the “Customer Content” section below
We collect this data to provide you with the best experience with our Products. Mostly, we gather Personal Data directly from you, directly from your devices, or directly from someone who communicates with you using Zoom services, such as a meeting host, participant, or caller. Some of our collection happens on an automated basis – that is, it’s automatically collected when you interact with our Products. In certain instances, you can choose whether to provide Personal Data to Zoom, but note that you may be unable to access certain options and services if they require Personal Data that you have not provided. You can adjust certain settings to reduce the amount of Personal Data we automatically collect from you, such as by turning off optional cookies in your browser’s setting or by using our Cookie Preferences link at the bottom of the Zoom homepage.

We may also obtain information about you from a user who uses Zoom. For example, a user may input your contact information when you are invited to a Zoom meeting or call. Similarly, a Zoom meeting host may record a Zoom meeting and store the recording on our system. If a Zoom meeting host decides to record a meeting, that person is responsible for obtaining any necessary consent from you before recording a meeting.

We may also gather some Personal Data from third-party partners. Sometimes, other companies who help us deliver the service (our service providers) and may collect or have access to information on our behalf when you use our Products. We have agreements with our service providers to ensure that they do not use any of the information that they collect on our behalf for their own commercial purposes or for the commercial purposes of some other company or third party. We may also receive Personal Data that third parties collect in other contexts, which we use in order to better understand our users, advertise and market, and enhance our services.[/i]

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

Yeah, Google would never collect your personal information....

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Google Suite for Education as used by our district is COPPA (Children's Online Privacy Protection Rule) compliant. If this were not the case, MANY districts would be getting sued (those that use Google Classroom). The Zoom that is being peddled is not and would cause MANY legal problems. I suppose if I had explained that originally I wouldn't have been subject to your drive-by snark.

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

We figured out today that 88 percent of our students turned something in online last week to at least one teacher. 93 percent of my students turned in at least one assignment. So we now know that if the assignments do start counting, most of the students have online access.

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Yep, I’d look for the SY to be shut down in the next few days.

ISBE making all kinds of moves to signal that:
-Changing the requirement for free/reduced for the rest of the year
-Changing the rules for PFA for rest of year
-etc

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ISBE just did their typical late Friday "email and run" :

No full year closure yet - but good news?
Any staff member that was going to be RIF or is currently on a remediation plan - you get another free year to start over! All the crappy teachers rejoice!

It's basically just a bunch of steps that are preparing for the cancellation of school....which I'll give ISBE credit, they don't usually operate like that.

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Well, nothing like getting info out at the last minute so whatever we thought we had to do is not quite what has been requested. It'll be interesting to say the least.

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

My niece teaches middle School in DuPage with a fair amount of students from low income apartment housing, and they are seeing similar percentages. She did an online video session on Friday and about 90% of the kids showed up and most of the 10% were from families without WiFi at home.

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"When people want their version of the truth, they go find it, no matter how baseless their beliefs." -- Ken Rosenthal

Our district officially non-renewed people at the March board meeting. They were told in February they were not coming back.

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I mis-read the part about RIF anyway, it only applies to remediation.

Not sure how districts are supposed to adhere to year end timelines (based on school days remaining)....when there are no school days? Or when districts can essentially "decide" how many days are left.

I understand why it's a mess.....but man, this is REALLY a mess.

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unsurprisingly 1/3 of LA highschool kids are not logging in at all or inconsistantly for elearning.

So we have to be available during normal school hours to answer questions, grade etc. What I am finding is that almost all the work is being turned in during the evening. Yesterday, I had 16 kids submit their work during school hours and 31 turn things in between 3pm and 1:32am.

Starting today work officially counts. Interested to see how much work is turned in going forward. I would assume it is going to improve. This morning, one of the kids who had turned nothing in previously was one of the first to submit today's assignment.

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I can see them scrapping this at some point. There isn't much in the way of academic accountability as it is. When there is little by which you can hold students to then rarely will you receive the desired results.

From my understanding it will be nothing more than glorified extra credit work for children that are currently struggling. That I actually agree with as you have to provide an opportunity for kids that are currently failing to pass the class.

Those that are excelling aren't going to have the same incentive to do the work oddly enough. The district isn't going to support the teachers that actually attempt to hold students to rigorous academic standards during a time like this so it will probably be best for teachers to pass everyone and proceed on to the next year.

This school year as we know it is a wrap.

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Yeah it’s pretty much pointless but they’ll keep up the ruse until May 1 then announce it. They don’t want the kids to totally disengage while they’re being held hostage so they’ll keep up the ruse for April.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yeah it's sad but there is really nothing you can do. Without real oversight you're simply spinning your wheels. Kids are losing valuable instruction time but the state is afraid of the lawsuits.

I'm convinced that that has weighed heavily on the minds of state officials. The second that one child dies it will become a lawsuit.

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Even with a video lesson, I have no idea if one student is doing the work for the rest...or even doing the attendance check-in. There is so much truth to what is up above and it sucks to no end. Rogue, I am where you are at with regards to 5/1 and calling it a wrap.

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

Wait until the howling starts about teachers being paid through all this and even after they do call it for the year .

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Already saw some of that down here. There was a facebook thread by a parent that wanted to know why we were not having a facebook live lesson each day for our classes and if we were not going to do that we did not need to get payment.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

What's the answer here? Should they try to serve all the students they can and deal with the ones that fall behind later? Scrap the year? Try to get everybody up and running? What's beneficial, feasible, and realistic?

Dies from?

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I have no idea and I don't think anyone does.

Just from a practical point I think they are just going to scrap the year and deal with the ramifications next year.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Coronavirus. The second a child dies from Coronavirus the State and/or the District will be sued for failing to insure the safety of that parent's child.. They have no choice but to shut schools down right now.

There is no way that ISBE or the Gov will take that chance.

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Is there anyway they can give people the option of signing a waiver or something? Any student or teacher that doesn't want to put themselves at risk shouldn't have to but anybody that is willing to should have the option.

Yeah JB has no desire to be the mayor from Jaws .

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Teachers aren't going to go for that as long as they are being paid anyway.

The other hurdle would have to be limits on congregating imposed by the Gov. If they are imposing it on every other facet of society then how can you ask it to be lifted and adhered to by teachers? It would be viewed as a form of discrimination by the Union.

It may be possible I would assume. Waivers are created all of the time.

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There is no way schools are going to be allowed back while JB has the state shutdown. Whenever the shut down is lifted I think you will see schools open again. Granted if it continues through May, no one is going to open for a few days in June.

I can see some Catholic schools never opening again after this. Especially if it does go through the rest of the school year. The Arch isn't going to bail anyone out.

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Not limited to schools. This would also happen at a company that was up and running. If anything, a TEACHER in the schools runs the bigger risk to contracting the virus and dying. All things point that a kid would work through it.

This is true. so now it goes to April 30th.....then what? What cannot happen is workplaces re-open, but schools stay closed. That's beyond ridiculous....just as it was ridiculous that the schools closed well in advance of businesses closing.

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It looks bad now because we are in the middle of it but in actuality it’s not really going to hurt the kids that they missed 3 months of school one year out of the 12 they’re going to be in school . They’ve had Hurricanes decimate towns where schools were cancelled for weeks and those kids have gone on to be doctors , engineers , lawyers ( blech) etc . They’ll be fine .

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

For the most part I agree with this. The ones I feel bad for are the early school kids...Kindergarten...1st.2nd grade. These kids develop so much at such an early age that losing this time could be difficult for them, especially the ones who may already have some obstacles to deal with

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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