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Google Suite for Education as used by our district is COPPA (Children's Online Privacy Protection Rule) compliant. If this were not the case, MANY districts would be getting sued (those that use Google Classroom). The Zoom that is being peddled is not and would cause MANY legal problems. I suppose if I had explained that originally I wouldn't have been subject to your drive-by snark.

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There is no way schools are going to be allowed back while JB has the state shutdown. Whenever the shut down is lifted I think you will see schools open again. Granted if it continues through May, no one is going to open for a few days in June.

I can see some Catholic schools never opening again after this. Especially if it does go through the rest of the school year. The Arch isn't going to bail anyone out.


One of my kids is at a Catholic school. They have instructional learning on the devices 4 days a week. For us it runs like a class would, they do work, get assignments, and have homework. What's going to come of this is everybody needs to be fitted with a technology device and have access to the internet etc. The state and federal government need more money. I don't know where they will get it from when at least 20% of the workforce is out of work and our resources are depleted. I can educated my kids is some ways. All this reinforces why I do not want them in charge of my healthcare. It's a mess. D or R, state and federal, don't matter. Keep them out of my shit, they suck and they fuck it up. They'll just want more money without ever really doing anything, really doing less than they should or could be doing. But don't worry they'll save us. Clearly look to them for the answers, they care, and will do the right thing.


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It looks bad now because we are in the middle of it but in actuality it’s not really going to hurt the kids that they missed 3 months of school one year out of the 12 they’re going to be in school . They’ve had Hurricanes decimate towns where schools were cancelled for weeks and those kids have gone on to be doctors , engineers , lawyers ( blech) etc . They’ll be fine .


How much of that is local communities and parents figuring it out as you go? Not the government or in some cases despite the government?

I feel terrible for the juniors in HS right now. They're kinda fucked but might end up being lucky too.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:06 pm 
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Coronavirus. The second a child dies from Coronavirus the State and/or the District will be sued


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Not limited to schools. This would also happen at a company that was up and running. If anything, a TEACHER in the schools runs the bigger risk to contracting the virus and dying. All things point that a kid would work through it.


Both run the risk but in this particular situation the district and the State are primarily concerned about the Health and Safety of the Children.

I know of one school in particular where 2 children have died in the past month alone. Both were autistic and likely had preexisting conditions. They may have died from complications from the Coronavirus but it may be difficult to know since there was no testing available at the time of death and very little discussion of it though it was known to be out at the time. I would be shocked if this hasn't crossed the minds of either of the parents.

In a school setting it is simply too easy for children to transmit diseases. Adult too but children aren't going to take the same level of precautions. Whether it is Child to Child or Child to adult it doesn't much matter. They will still be transmitted nonetheless.

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How does any kid pass the grade they are currently in? Shouldn't they have to redo the entire year/semester?

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How does any kid pass the grade they are currently in? Shouldn't they have to redo the entire year/semester?


No. You can't penalize children for something that is outside of their control.

If ever there was an argument to be made for social promotion this would be it.

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How does any kid pass the grade they are currently in? Shouldn't they have to redo the entire year/semester?


Social Promotion. It is how school works until high school.

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How does any kid pass the grade they are currently in? Shouldn't they have to redo the entire year/semester?


Social Promotion. It is how school works until high school.

So nobody fails ever? Why are we wasting any time with this in-home learning then?

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How does any kid pass the grade they are currently in? Shouldn't they have to redo the entire year/semester?


Social Promotion. It is how school works until high school.

So nobody fails ever? Why are we wasting any time with this in-home learning then?


Because they don't want kids to have too much idle time and they want to make it appear as if teachers are earning their salaries.

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There is no way schools are going to be allowed back while JB has the state shutdown. Whenever the shut down is lifted I think you will see schools open again. Granted if it continues through May, no one is going to open for a few days in June.

I can see some Catholic schools never opening again after this. Especially if it does go through the rest of the school year. The Arch isn't going to bail anyone out.


One of my kids is at a Catholic school. They have instructional learning on the devices 4 days a week. For us it runs like a class would, they do work, get assignments, and have homework. What's going to come of this is everybody needs to be fitted with a technology device and have access to the internet etc. The state and federal government need more money. I don't know where they will get it from when at least 20% of the workforce is out of work and our resources are depleted. I can educated my kids is some ways. All this reinforces why I do not want them in charge of my healthcare. It's a mess. D or R, state and federal, don't matter. Keep them out of my shit, they suck and they fuck it up. They'll just want more money without ever really doing anything, really doing less than they should or could be doing. But don't worry they'll save us. Clearly look to them for the answers, they care, and will do the right thing.


If they removed the Govt from Education the overall quality of education in this country would turn to piss overnight.

There is no way that private education would be able to fill the void.

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How does any kid pass the grade they are currently in? Shouldn't they have to redo the entire year/semester?


No. You can't penalize children for something that is outside of their control.

If ever there was an argument to be made for social promotion this would be it.

They also had completed 75% of the school year at the point it hit . They’ll be some gaps to fill next year but they’ll get there .

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If they removed the Govt from Education the overall quality of education in this country would turn to piss overnight.

There is no way that private education would be able to fill the void.


No they couldn't fill that void. It'd be great if the govt was accountable for anything and acted liked they cared or knew people were invested and paying for this like a private school though. But no cancel it promote kids get paid it doesn't matter. It's really not a tough decision for them right now and it should be.


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If they removed the Govt from Education the overall quality of education in this country would turn to piss overnight.

There is no way that private education would be able to fill the void.


No they couldn't fill that void. It'd be great if the govt was accountable for anything and acted liked they cared or knew people were invested and paying for this like a private school though. But no cancel it promote kids get paid it doesn't matter. It's really not a tough decision for them right now and it should be.


If Private Schools actually "cared" as much as you claim they wouldn't charge kids and parents more money in tuition than most pay for home mortgages.

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If Private Schools actually "cared" as much as you claim they wouldn't charge kids and parents more money in tuition than most pay for home mortgages.


:lol: Who's quitting and who's chug chug chugging away? I have some idea where my money goes in one place.And I know some of the public schools are hamstrung by administration. That's the point.


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If Private Schools actually "cared" as much as you claim they wouldn't charge kids and parents more money in tuition than most pay for home mortgages.


:lol: Who's quitting and who's chug chug chugging away? I have some idea where my money goes in one place.



Still doesn't mean that they care all that much. They are being paid to provide a service. Their motives aren't altruistic.

Great for you that you can afford to pay for education but the vast majority of parents in this state cannot. You remove the state from the equation and the children from those households lose the opportunity to gain an education.


Hence the overall quality of education goes to piss.

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How does any kid pass the grade they are currently in? Shouldn't they have to redo the entire year/semester?


Social Promotion. It is how school works until high school.

So nobody fails ever? Why are we wasting any time with this in-home learning then?


It is possible to fail. But most studies have shown holding kids back does more harm then good. Especially in older grades. In high school they will still call you a Junior, even if you are in three Freshmen classes.

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Still doesn't mean that they care all that much. They are being paid to provide a service. Their motives aren't altruistic.

Great for you that you can afford to pay for education but the vast majority of parents in this state cannot. You remove the state from the equation and the children from those households lose the opportunity to gain an education.


Hence the overall quality of education goes to piss.


I'm not aware of any tax break or refund I get. If I home schooled my kids I'd still be funding public education. My household provides resources my child and hopefully my children won't use for the benefit of society. I'm fine with that and it's more $ per student than if he/she went there.

I get an email from my son's teachers every week on what they are doing and it's personal. They care. I've gotten canned emails from the district or principal from my other child's school. It's fine but they clearly don't care and aren't invested. The gov can't run anything right is the point. It sucks.


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It is possible to fail. But most studies have shown holding kids back does more harm then good. Especially in older grades. In high school they will still call you a Junior, even if you are in three Freshmen classes.


And then you are a sophomore and you read at a 3rd grade level. :alien:


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Still doesn't mean that they care all that much. They are being paid to provide a service. Their motives aren't altruistic.

Great for you that you can afford to pay for education but the vast majority of parents in this state cannot. You remove the state from the equation and the children from those households lose the opportunity to gain an education.


Hence the overall quality of education goes to piss.


I'm not aware of any tax break or refund I get. If I home schooled my kids I'd still be funding public education. My household provides resources my child and hopefully my children won't use for the benefit of society. I'm fine with that and it's more $ per student than if he/she went there.

I get an email from my son's teachers every week on what they are doing and it's personal. They care. I've gotten canned emails from the district or principal from my other child's school. It's fine but they clearly don't care and aren't invested. The gov can't run anything right is the point. It sucks.


That is the common refrain but everytime someone gets in a trickbag (As what's happening now) its awfully strange that it's the Govt that they look to to bail their ass out.

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Not me. Ever. They suck. They can't do shit.

I thought about being a sub. I'd do it now. I might go work at da Jewels. This is all bullshit.


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Not me. Ever. They suck. They can't do shit.

I thought about being a sub. I'd do it now. I might go work at da Jewels. This is all bullshit.


The best schools in this state year in and year out happen to be State Run Schools.

They aren't perfect but they are the best. I don't blame the state system of education for this. If teachers were actually trying to assess students during this pd the failure rates in this state would skyrocket. Then parents would be complaining about that.

Teachers are assigning work during this pd but asking and expecting them to put themselves and children at risk just so that people will know that they "care" is unrealistic.

When children and adults start turning up dead because they are being housed in buildings that they shouldn't be in then a different argument about caring will arise.

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The best schools in this state year in and year out happen to be State Run Schools.

They aren't perfect but they are the best. I don't blame the state system of education for this. If teachers were actually trying to assess students during this pd the failure rates in this state would skyrocket. Then parents would be complaining about that.

Teachers are assigning work during this pd but asking and expecting them to put themselves and children at risk just so that people will know that they "care" is unrealistic.

When children and adults start turning up dead because they are being housed in buildings that they shouldn't be in then a different argument about caring will arise.


You mean there is a lot of money in school districts that have a lot of money? Tell me more professor.

You've already said teachers don't care. As long as they get paid.


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The best schools in this state year in and year out happen to be State Run Schools.

They aren't perfect but they are the best. I don't blame the state system of education for this. If teachers were actually trying to assess students during this pd the failure rates in this state would skyrocket. Then parents would be complaining about that.

Teachers are assigning work during this pd but asking and expecting them to put themselves and children at risk just so that people will know that they "care" is unrealistic.

When children and adults start turning up dead because they are being housed in buildings that they shouldn't be in then a different argument about caring will arise.


You mean there is a lot of money in school districts that have a lot of money? Tell me more professor.

You've already said teachers don't care. As long as they get paid.


So you are comfortable with the possibility of Teachers and Students potentially dying just so your child can be placed in a public school building? That's a tad bit callous don't you think?

There are real health and safety issues at work. You may not think so in your rather self absorbed world but there are.

For the record I never said that they didn't care. That's your incorrect inference. I stated that they are being paid thus the incentive to show up for work is non existent.

Its extremely selfish to expect teachers to risk their health simply so that your child can enter a school building.

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The best schools in this state year in and year out happen to be State Run Schools.

They aren't perfect but they are the best. I don't blame the state system of education for this. If teachers were actually trying to assess students during this pd the failure rates in this state would skyrocket. Then parents would be complaining about that.

Teachers are assigning work during this pd but asking and expecting them to put themselves and children at risk just so that people will know that they "care" is unrealistic.

When children and adults start turning up dead because they are being housed in buildings that they shouldn't be in then a different argument about caring will arise.


You mean there is a lot of money in school districts that have a lot of money? Tell me more professor.

You've already said teachers don't care. As long as they get paid.

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:lol: We're all going to die. think of the children.


Not as a result of the Coronavirus we ain't. Easy to tell people what to do while chilling at the crib in your well funded district by the way.

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:lol: We're all going to die. think of the children.


Sure does seem to be a lot of traffic copping going on by people seeking to direct from the comforts of their lazy boy.

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Not as a result of the Coronavirus we ain't Easy to tell people what to do while chilling at the crib in your well funded district by the way.


I'm ready to volunteer or go to work or go out in public. Ain't my fault they want to shut everything down so we can be safe. I don't have a lot of power so you understand my frustration. You are a public educator saying screw the rest of the school year.


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Not as a result of the Coronavirus we ain't Easy to tell people what to do while chilling at the crib in your well funded district by the way.


I'm ready to volunteer or go to work or go out in public. Ain't my fault they want to shut everything down so we can be safe. I don't have a lot of power so you understand my frustration. You are a public educator saying screw the rest of the school year.


These are extenuating circumstances. You may not think so but they are and if anything you are demonstrating that you don't much care about the welfare of public educators or the other students.

The effort that you claim to want to put into public schools can be better put to use inside the home.

Simply home school and provide tutoring (from some of the stash that you have cuffed from that "district with a lot of money") and your problem will be solved.

Meanwhile the teachers and the staff of the state will chill at the crib until the effects from the virus subsides.

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That's not good. Really that's sick as a philosophy from an educator.


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