No it isn't and you appear to be a bit deranged. A person's primary obligation is to himself. It's not an educator's responsibility to do something that you should be doing yourself. Raise your child. Support and nurture your child in a time like this. For a person that claims to be so oblivious and non dependent upon the state for resources you sure do seem to be quite reliant and dependent upon them now don't you think?

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Yep!.

Government is terrible until you need it to babysit your kid apparently.

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That's because of lobbying and corruption. Maybe if the government stopped doing so, it wouldn't happen. funny....the $2 trillion bail out package had a hell of a lot more in it than just stimulus to taxpayers. As usual, lots of fluff and corporate bail out money.

Why is this any different than a retail business? Menards is open. My son is still working. Restaurants are still providing take out orders. The school shut down and closed 1-2 weeks in advance of business closing or telling their people to work remotely? This is beyond ridiculous. I don't expect the schools to stay open when there's a state mandated shutdown, but they better be up and running if workplaces are open and people or going to work. The "children" are by far a lower risk pool than the workforce.
The best schools are the ones with big money pumped into them. Has nothing to do with state v. private. How about we look at universities? Princeton, Harvard, Columbia, MIT, Yale, Stanford, U of Chicago, University of Pennsylvania, Northwestern, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Cal Tech, Dartmouth, Brown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Cornell, Rice....all of these private universities rank higher than a single state university.

The government involved in education ensures equity....it does not increase quality.

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Here's a question for you teacher types. What do you think classes will be like if they open the schools back up during the first week of May? Will anybody take it seriously, or will it be a shitshow and kids are already in summer mode?

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of course kids will be checked out. doesn't matter. The job gets a little more difficult....boo hoo. Just because circumstances are difficult and different it doesn't mean you just toss the year aside. That's a horrible precedent to set.

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2 months off with 4 weeks left at that point . How do you think it would go ? A week for the kids to shake off the cobwebs and you’re down to 3 weeks. Not worth it at that point .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Let's just cancel everything.

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Does Menards Have 2,000 kids running around in them? Do they have a 1,000 people in them that have to bump I to each other in crowded hallways every 50 min? Do they have kids sitting in sweaty gym rooms? Adults standing over them in overcrowded classrooms? No they don't.
There is no way that "social distancing" and correct hygiene practices can be implemented in a school setting.

It is impossible.

And your educational example is fallacious as you cite Universities. My point is related to Secondary and Elementary level schools.

It's easy to tout the "attentiveness" of Private educators when it's the payment which provides the service and the morality of the server.

If they don't provide the service then they won't get paid. That's why they provide the service.

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Joined the cancel culture have you?

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Attendance will be atrocious as the parents of kids concerned about their child's health will choose to withhold them.

Teacher attendance will be atrocious as well which means instruction will be terrible. There will be a shortage of subs as a,result with most subs choosing not to work in unhealthy work environments.

Every elderly staff member known to man will be calling off like crazy in an effort to avoid the virus.

The Nursing office (if they have one) will be a disaster as every child with a sniffle will be running in there every 2 seconds.

Hope that cleared it up for you.

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State / Government involvement is for equity, not quality. Period.

The school day (god Forbid) could be adjusted to limit physical interaction. It's still going to happen, but have you paid attention? It's still happening now with everyone at home.

Ever work in an office? Yep, there's plenty of close proximity in the workplace. There's public bathrooms....a cafeteria. There's fitness centers. Conference rooms with meeting.

My point is, you can't shut down one but expect the other to operate as usual. That's nonsense. If we are truly in a health crisis, everyone shuts down. Schools aren't special.

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We should find a way to let the smart kids go back to school. All the others won't really matter long term.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

or....we could just make in-person school optional

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Has Spaulding always been so pessimistic?

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If they remove the State from education what do you expect to happen?

State is evil remember. Ok which entity fills the void if they are removed from the equation?


You aren't making sense. Menards can choose to close. They aren't because they are a for profit business and really could give 2 shits as to whether their employees are healthy or not.

Education is a non profit entity. They also are in the business of ensuring public safety. That is actually in their mission statement if anyone would bother to read it. They have a moral obligation to help ensure the safety and health of the people that inhabit it.
Placing children and adults into unhealthy environments does not accomplish this.

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We would save a lot of money.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

they can stock shelves at Walgreens

Or withhold the Free Lunches from the school cafeteria.

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Typically by this point the 8th Graders (I have 4 sections of 8th and 2 of 7th) have taken placement exams, done high school orientation, picked classes, finished state mandated testing (ISAT, PARCC, IAR, etc...) and are checking out. It's part of the job, and you adjust and do your job...that's what you're paid for. As I'm taking a few minutes to read this thread and respond, I'm also responding to student emails about the lesson today and looking at what I am going to have them do tomorrow. At this point I'm still new to Google Classroom and there is a learning curve...BUT...it's what I'm paid to do. Of course there will be some (like many other jobs...I haven't just been an education professional) who will appear to or actively revel in this early end to the year. But I digress...it is the job, it may be difficult to go back on May 1...but it is the profession I chose and I will be happy to see the students again in that setting.

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner

I'm not disagreeing with you on this.
My point is there's a public health crisis going on. That involves schools, businesses, churches....anything that involves large concentrations of people. If there's a point where it's safe enough for businesses to operate, than it should be safe enough for schools to operate. Profit / non-profit is irrelevant. A public health crisis is a risk to all of it.

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Students are usually checked out in May. It might actually be better if they came back after being gone for six weeks. With everyone stuck inside right now they might look forward to getting out of their apartments/houses.

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I think if businesses open the schools will open up. Maybe not Chicago though. They do their own thing.

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The only businesses that are operating are the essential ones for the most part and there is an edict in place which says that no more than 10 people can be allowed to congregate at any given time. There is no way that a school an adhere to that edict. Its impossible.

And there is no comparison to the environment existent in an office space and that of a school. Absolutely no comparison.

Lastly what happens when there are 5-10 in state deaths that were found to be the result of keeping schools open? I'll tell you what happens. Lawsuits and backlash from parents and people not associated with education.

The Safety and Health of the students is what becomes paramount in this sort of situation. The second there is an outbreak in one of the schools in this state there is no doubt that many of the same people currently acting so cavalierly now will use it as yet another opportunity to bash the State and the Public Education system.

There are times that the value of Health and Safety supersedes the value of the education. Unfortunately this is one of the times.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Here is the problem which is posed by keeping the school's open. It's going to be murder on the testing. There is already a shortage of tests as it is. What happens if your "typical" high school student has been found to have contracted the virus?

Here's what happens. There is a likelihood that the entire school shuts down as everyone that has been found to have come in contact with him or her (potentially the whole school) is at risk. Even if isn't the entire school its potentially 100-150 students. Typical high school student has 6-7 classes per day. Different array of students in each class. Thus he might potentially have exposed 120 kids not to mention 7-8 adults. 7-8 adults that all have their own subset of students.


This means that the entire school will have been "exposed" The potential risks far outweighs the benefits and that is why you have to shut them down.

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Yeah if a few die so what ? At least the survivors received that valuable 4 weeks of education in between having 8 and 10 weeks off that will make all the difference in their future.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

what was the question again?

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Haven't been told this yet, but I have a feeling we will be going to pass/incomplete instead of actual grades.

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That seems to be the recommendation from the state from their release last Friday. Page 47 is where you can find the recommendation for Middle Schools and page 56 for high school in the linked document. Again, this was released late Friday to the schools.


By the way this is accessible to the public at the ISBE website.

https://www.isbe.net/Documents/RL-Recom ... -27-20.pdf

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An unjust law is no law at all--St. Augustine of Hippo

Cause tried and true
I see the light in you
Oh, can you dig in my soul?
Could you smell my whole...
life?--Gener and Deaner